[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I might have considered it a serious question as well, until it ended with "it's not that difficult", implying the OP already had some knowledge of the subject.

I can't say for sure. I try to take people as sincere until proven otherwise. The last part could be meaningful. It might not be sincere?

[dnobles]

Please walk facing traffic and ride your bike with the traffic. Thank you

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kansasr

Uh, there is no VILLAGE POLICE. You won't see the Sheriff enforcing anything on the MMP's and while many years ago you'd hear about people getting caught with a golf cart that could exceed 20mph, I haven't heard anything in years.

I did hear about ONE (only one in a long time) fine for an altered governor in a Golf Cart. Technically, I'm sure you are correct about no actual Villages Police. I remember years ago seeing Police officers at the Squares, so I guess that I assumed that The Villages NEEDED a quick reacting Police Force because of the combination of older, easily manipulated residents that have money or jewelry on them. Plus the alcohol consumption would make them vulnerable to pick-pockets and car thieves and etc. That was just logical to me.
........I still don't see the point of changing pretty flowers every few months on the round-abouts. I often see pot-holes stay unfixed for many weeks. To me, there seems to be more concern with looking nice and impressive. Yet, maybe, the Police are completely lacking. I can't even see how that could be possible. My home town in Pa. had 60,000 residents when I grew up and on Saturday and Thursday when the town businesses stayed open until 9 pm. Beat Policemen were walking the streets and checking parking meters and just maintaining order and a presence. And there was almost zero crime back then, yet the Police seemed ready to handle any emergency. The US steel mill there may have provided a lot of tax money for Police.
........The Villages has smarter residents and better homes on average than my home town. Maybe I am wrong, but just on face value, it seems to me that Village residents are not as safe because of the Police as I would expect. The fire department and ambulance capability seems pretty impressive. I just don't see many Police vehicles.
......... Call them Village Police or county Sheriffs or whatever? I hope that I am wrong if a real disaster ever happens.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by eyc234

Less than intelligent carts passing in a curb are the issue!

To paraphrase a gun related line. Carts don't cause problems, idiots in carts cause problems! Cart safety is only as safe as the driver. Nice folks share the MMPs. Jerks think they own it. Everyone stops for the Sandhill cranes. Can we be that nice for other humans?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I can't say for sure. I try to take people as sincere until proven otherwise. The last part could be meaningful. It might not be sincere?

Maybe. On the other hand, 6 pages and no sign of the OP returning to the thread.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe. On the other hand, 6 pages and no sign of the OP returning to the thread.

So what? We don't need him! Look at all the fun we've had without him.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Something mental happened to people after Covid. They started driving faster and often going through stop signs. I am NOT surprised that pedestrians are in danger on the multi-use paths. During Covid, the roads had less traffic so drivers got used to speeding and reckless driving. They are STILL doing that. Police need to take charge and take back both roads and the multi-use paths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1HggcfnHpo

[Raywatkins]

In 8 years only 4 incidents.
I misjudged an overtake in my cart. Apologies to the other cart for the near miss.
A cart came round a bend too fast on a wet surface and came across my side. I had to brake hard and slid round in almost a 180. No apology.
Twice on my bike i strayed a bit too far over towards the middle and got overtaken too close by a cart.
Seems like we all make the odd mistake. Perhaps a bit more understanding and tolerance is needed.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

We can file that statement with the other often cited but completely wrong "cars always have the right of way"

First of all, the law does not state who has the right of way, it specifies who must yield the right of way.

Second, the reason a golf cart must slow or stop until it is safe to pass is the same reason a car must slow or stop before passing a slower vehicle. If an e-bike going 20 encounters a cart going 15, the e-bike will be the one to slow or stop until it is safe to pass. If a world class runner encounters a slow bicycle, the pedestrian will be the one to slow or stop until it is safe to pass. No entity ALWAYS has the right of way, I wish people would stop posting that nonsense.

"
First of all, the law does not state who has the right of way, it specifies who must yield the right of way."
Right of way is implicit in that statement , you are to yield the right of way to someone who has a greater claim to it , right of way certainly and of course does not mean you are certainly right in your actions , a whole host of factors can contribute to the how and why of any accidental encounter ,an accident with serious results oftimes end up being put under a microscope in criminal /civil proceedings to determine who did what and what percentage of "blame"

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by Triker

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

Sorry to disagree with your misconception. Golf cart drivers have nothing against pedestrians of bicycles. What they disapprove of is pedestrians that walk on the wrong side of the path or walk abreast when a cart approaches. As for bicyclist. there are too many of them that think they own the mmp's. Maybe some consideration on their part would go a long way. What is worse yet is the golf cart drivers that think the whole world has to wait for them. If you are going slower than someone behind you be courteous and put your directional on, slow down and let them pass you. worst yet is the driver that holds you up and then when you try to pass them, they speed up. You would think age brings wisdom, but it doesn't appear to be the case for drivers, both gold cart and automobile, in the villages.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

"
First of all, the law does not state who has the right of way, it specifies who must yield the right of way."
Right of way is implicit in that statement , you are to yield the right of way to someone who has a greater claim to it , right of way certainly and of course does not mean you are certainly right in your actions , a whole host of factors can contribute to the how and why of any accidental encounter ,an accident with serious results oftimes end up being put under a microscope in criminal /civil proceedings to determine who did what and what percentage of "blame"

I agree and nearly always, each party gets a certain percentage of the blame.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Sorry to disagree with your misconception. Golf cart drivers have nothing against pedestrians of bicycles. What they disapprove of is pedestrians that walk on the wrong side of the path or walk abreast when a cart approaches. As for bicyclist. there are too many of them that think they own the mmp's. Maybe some consideration on their part would go a long way. What is worse yet is the golf cart drivers that think the whole world has to wait for them. If you are going slower than someone behind you be courteous and put your directional on, slow down and let them pass you. worst yet is the driver that holds you up and then when you try to pass them, they speed up. You would think age brings wisdom, but it doesn't appear to be the case for drivers, both gold cart and automobile, in the villages.

Yes, it’s silly I know, but sometimes the slow cart drivers speed up, not to irritate the passing cart, but because they just realized they were going too slow. In any case, they should let the cart pass easily. Same sometimes happens on the highway with cars.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Sorry to disagree with your misconception. Golf cart drivers have nothing against pedestrians of bicycles. What they disapprove of is pedestrians that walk on the wrong side of the path or walk abreast when a cart approaches. As for bicyclist. there are too many of them that think they own the mmp's. Maybe some consideration on their part would go a long way. What is worse yet is the golf cart drivers that think the whole world has to wait for them. If you are going slower than someone behind you be courteous and put your directional on, slow down and let them pass you. worst yet is the driver that holds you up and then when you try to pass them, they speed up. You would think age brings wisdom, but it doesn't appear to be the case for drivers, both gold cart and automobile, in the villages.

You bring up a very valid point---I don't know how many times I've gone to pass a cart going 15 or a car going 25 on BV, only to have them speed up to about 25 and 50 respectively as I was passing. Not only is this dangerous, and for some with the wrong temperament incite road rage, especially those that carry, but is 100% against the law

Florida statues 316.083 sec 5&6:

(5) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle must give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and must not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
(6) A person who violates this section commits a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I did hear about ONE (only one in a long time) fine for an altered governor in a Golf Cart. Technically, I'm sure you are correct about no actual Villages Police. I remember years ago seeing Police officers at the Squares, so I guess that I assumed that The Villages NEEDED a quick reacting Police Force because of the combination of older, easily manipulated residents that have money or jewelry on them. Plus the alcohol consumption would make them vulnerable to pick-pockets and car thieves and etc. That was just logical to me.
........I still don't see the point of changing pretty flowers every few months on the round-abouts. I often see pot-holes stay unfixed for many weeks. To me, there seems to be more concern with looking nice and impressive. Yet, maybe, the Police are completely lacking. I can't even see how that could be possible. My home town in Pa. had 60,000 residents when I grew up and on Saturday and Thursday when the town businesses stayed open until 9 pm. Beat Policemen were walking the streets and checking parking meters and just maintaining order and a presence. And there was almost zero crime back then, yet the Police seemed ready to handle any emergency. The US steel mill there may have provided a lot of tax money for Police.
........The Villages has smarter residents and better homes on average than my home town. Maybe I am wrong, but just on face value, it seems to me that Village residents are not as safe because of the Police as I would expect. The fire department and ambulance capability seems pretty impressive. I just don't see many Police vehicles.
......... Call them Village Police or county Sheriffs or whatever? I hope that I am wrong if a real disaster ever happens.

Technically? No actually. There is no Villages police force.

Your assumption that a quick acting police force was needed……was wrong.

Flowers are changed by the District, potholes are fixed by the county. ???

“Yet maybe police are completely lacking” . What are you basing this statement on?

You say real disaster. What do you mean?

Your post, to me, is just a lot of fear mongering.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Technically? No actually. There is no Villages police force.

Your assumption that a quick acting police force was needed……was wrong.

Flowers are changed by the District, potholes are fixed by the county. ???

“Yet maybe police are completely lacking” . What are you basing this statement on?

You say real disaster. What do you mean?

Your post, to me, is just a lot of fear.

No, I think that poster's post is just a continuation of his continued diatribe of "more police, more traffic enforcement and more tickets" in his Orwellian nightmare version of The Villages.