[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The mothers of some of my close friends also worked. Some mothers had to as they had lost their husbands in the war. Some classmates had mothers who were physicians, nurses, teachers, worked at or managed retail stores and restaurants, you name it. My mother was a teacher but my parents elected to live on less income so she could stay home and take care of my brother and me. We squeaked by. My father worked long hours on commission in retail yet earned little. Several of the children in my class were fatherless, not because they were illegitimate but because their fathers had been killed in combat.

From what I have read illegitimacy has a lot to do with childhood poverty, regardless of race or ethnicity. Children in groups having the highest illegitimacy rates suffer the highest poverty rates. The percentage of children raised in traditional two parent nuclear family units since the 1950s has diminished over the years. IMHO this has created many of the problems we now experience such as higher and higher rates of crime, poor schools and substance abuse.

That's true about "illegitimacy", but the use of the word says a lot about the user. No human being should ever be weighed down with such an idea or concept. The real TRUTH is that individual women (always they blame the women for the man's mess up).........individual women are NOT to be blamed . Look further back to see that the real problem is a societal problem - basically a disappearing MIDDLE CLASS since about 1975. And funny thing, society was controlled mainly by old white men then (and now). Put that into your cranial calculations and smoke it!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What's the solution to "illegitimacy" in children? I know: mandatory vasectomies for all males within the first 6 months of the onset of puberty, not to be reversed until the day after the wedding and ONLY with the consent of the woman.

Why the men? Because while a woman is spending 9 months not "getting" pregnant again, while she is currently pregnant, a man can easily impregnate thousands of other women.

Also, the chance of successful reversal of a vasectomy is significantly higher than the chance of a successful tubal ligation.
In addition, vasectomy is a minor office visit procedure, while a tubal ligation requires hospitalization and a greater chance of complications, that can include death.

Science and practicality.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Hard work does pay off.

Only one factor. And imagine if your IQ was 70 and you worked intensely hard - you would still not rise up the social ladder. That proves that "hard work" is merely like icing on a larger cake. You have to have a cake in order to put icing on it. And this is the case whether it is 1950 or whenever.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I hear it lot better around the world, that why everybody want to come here illegally to get away from prefect world.

Because it is even worse there. I have been trying to compare the 1950s IN THE US to subsequent eras IN THE US. Rut, it is interesting, to me, to know about countries like the UK then. They suffered greater losses than the US in WW2 so it would take years to struggle back economically.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Only one factor. And imagine if your IQ was 70 and you worked intensely hard - you would still not raise up the social ladder. That proves that "hard work" is merely like icing on a larger cake. You have to have a cake in order to put icing on it. And this is the case whether it is 1950 or whenever.

But hard work is a very large factor. Lets not have the tail wag the dog.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I've shown you, on multiple occasions, why you are completely WRONG about the tax brackets. Yet you keep posting the same tripe, time and time again...

It does make one wonder why...

If someone with real knowledge were to dispute my point about tax bracket laws changing and decimating the strong middle class from the 1950s (which I doubt) - they could just refer to the other reasons that I gave for the missing middle-class. There are other candidates for the MAIN reason (that others may prefer). But, it is just a fact (google it) that the middle-class is gone now. It is now known by the term, wealth INEQUALITY. Which did not exist in large magnitudes in the 50s AND 60s. Tax brackets being the main reason is my opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

But hard work is a very large factor. Lets not have the tail wag the dog.

Is it, .........really. I am NOT so sure. Try this example then.........suppose your goal is to be a world-class sprinter. You WORK and you WORK, trying everything. You are reasonably good in high school at sprinting and OK in College at sprinting. But, through NO fault of your own, because you are lacking genetically in fast-twitch muscles, you don't even ever get a tryout for the Olympic Team. What then is the MAIN factor in lack of success in that example - where plenty of WORK happened. That makes me think.......And this example can be extrapolated to the societal reasons that our US society failed miserably to succeed at creating an environment (like the fast-twitch muscles in the example) AFTER THE 1950s and 1960s for the MIDDLE CLASS to survive.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

What's the solution to "illegitimacy" in children? I know: mandatory vasectomies for all males within the first 6 months of the onset of puberty, not to be reversed until the day after the wedding and ONLY with the consent of the woman.

Why the men? Because while a woman is spending 9 months not "getting" pregnant again, while she is currently pregnant, a man can easily impregnate thousands of other women.

Also, the chance of successful reversal of a vasectomy is significantly higher than the chance of a successful tubal ligation.
In addition, vasectomy is a minor office visit procedure, while a tubal ligation requires hospitalization and a greater chance of complications, that can include death.

Science and practicality.

The USA is a free country last I heard. This sounds like something they could readily do in the PRC (China). Here it would be a no-no and considered genocide.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The USA is a free country last I heard. This sounds like something they could readily do in the PRC (China). Here it would be a no-no and considered genocide.

Something something "free country" something something pro-life something something George Carlin.

[VApeople]

I haven't followed this thread but I do want to express an opinion.

I was born five days after the Japanese surrendered, so I know the 50's and 60's very well. Our family was a middle income non-religious Republican farming family in Ohio.

Except for some of the music, I have no nostalgia for the 'good old days'. I think everything is better these days and we have much more freedom. Everything was so conformist in those days and people were judged by the clothes they wore and their hairstyle. Now we can be whatever we want.

I love our modern American society.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by VApeople

I haven't followed this thread but I do want to express an opinion.

I was born five days after the Japanese surrendered, so I know the 50's and 60's very well. Our family was a middle income non-religious Republican farming family in Ohio.

Except for some of the music, I have no nostalgia for the 'good old days'. I think everything is better these days and we have much more freedom. Everything was so conformist in those days and people were judged by the clothes they wore and their hairstyle. Now we can be whatever we want.

I love our modern American society.

Amen.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If someone with real knowledge were to dispute my point about tax bracket laws changing and decimating the strong middle class from the 1950s (which I doubt) - they could just refer to the other reasons that I gave for the missing middle-class. There are other candidates for the MAIN reason (that others may prefer). But, it is just a fact (google it) that the middle-class is gone now. It is now known by the term, wealth INEQUALITY. Which did not exist in large magnitudes in the 50s AND 60s. Tax brackets being the main reason is my opinion.

Here is a simplistic explanation...

Were taxes really higher in the 1950s? | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

And a more nuanced explanation...

Why we can’t go back to sky-high, 1950s tax rates | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by VApeople

I haven't followed this thread but I do want to express an opinion.

I was born five days after the Japanese surrendered, so I know the 50's and 60's very well. Our family was a middle income non-religious Republican farming family in Ohio.

Except for some of the music, I have no nostalgia for the 'good old days'. I think everything is better these days and we have much more freedom. Everything was so conformist in those days and people were judged by the clothes they wore and their hairstyle. Now we can be whatever we want.

I love our modern American society.

Absolutely agree.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Here is a simplistic explanation...

Were taxes really higher in the 1950s? | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

And a more nuanced explanation...

Why we can’t go back to sky-high, 1950s tax rates | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

"AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. Founded in 1938, AEI is commonly associated with conservatism and neoconservatism but does not support political candidates."

They may have a horse in this race.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Only one factor. And imagine if your IQ was 70 and you worked intensely hard - you would still not rise up the social ladder. That proves that "hard work" is merely like icing on a larger cake. You have to have a cake in order to put icing on it. And this is the case whether it is 1950 or whenever.

Obviously IQ has nothing to do with it… Most wealth is handed down. Some people have never worked day in their life. Wealth has several meanings, not just money.