[Buckeye Bob]

Originally Posted by John41

Thank you for an excellent post and attending the meeting. When the new Sumter commissioners take office the remaining puppets will be removed from office. The residents have won battles against the developer before. My opinion is that no squares are planned south of Rt 44, so the developer will turn all the existing squares into apartments to avoid sales competition in the new areas south of Rt 44. Also no money will be spent to maintain the clubhouses above Rt 44 so they can be demolished for apartments. There is a lot more being hidden from residents in my opinion.

I believe the rec centers are amenities that are owned by the districts north of 44. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

[ctmurray]

Originally Posted by birdiebill

Please clarify one statement "that the developer proposes to build up to 286 apartments at the Hacienda Hills site". I thought he had 286 amenity units available for any/all apartments or independent living units. If that is so, he would use some of those amenity units at any Spanish Spring apartments, or Sumter Landing apartments, or Hacienda Hills site apartments, or for any independent living units. If so, 286 apartments would not be built at HH. Did the developer specify the exact number of apartments at the HH site?

In fact when they announced the apartment proposal for the old Katie Belle's, they mentioned they would use some of the amenity units to those apartments. I think the specific plan for the apartments has not been laid out.

[Buckeye Bob]

Excellent post.

[merrymini]

If you pay for a view and they change it, it affects the value of your view and then the value of the home. It is stupid to state otherwise. Get a lawyer and hang em up to buy time. But remember, they have a lot more money than you do. Maybe just enough time for the new Commissioners to take their seats.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by merrymini

If you pay for a view and they change it, it affects the value of your view and then the value of the home. It is stupid to state otherwise.

They paid $5k or $10k for the view...................they have and will recap what they paid ten fold.


Ten steps forward, one step back for a handful of homeowners.

[bargee]

Just wondering if the Villages Developers still lived in Hickory Head Hammock would they be so quick to propose an apartment complex within site of their residences?

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by EviesGP

When you(they) say 8 acres, are you(they) referring to the entire CC property(i.e. all 27 holes, along with the CC), or just the CC itself? I ask because I am more concerned if they opt to convert or remove some golf courses?! That would be a trend that I would be disturbed about. Thanks, Nick!

That is just the site where the CC was. To give you a basis of comparison, a developer is building apartments for about 260 people on 466 just east of TV property. They are using roughly 40 acres to accommodate the the buildings and parking.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Our village is smack dab on 466 and we have maintained our property values.

I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face. It is on 466 insulated by a golf course on 3 sides and a wall and gate on the 466 side.

[rtrav711]

I noted that "Joseppe" stated earlier..

I get why everyone's upset over this, but I don't understand the thinking that complaining, arguing or fighting it is going to change it. Those promises of a perceived lifestyle were never put in writing and are not defensible. I'd say the only reasonable option you have is to either accept its going to happen or leave the Villages before your property values and lifestyle are infringed upon. Those are the things you can change, the coming of apartments you probably cannot change.

The remarks are well taken.

But there are many things in writing by the developer.

The Restated property report we received from the State of Connecticut...before our real estate closing ...which advised us " You are entitled to cancel this contract by midnight or the third day on which you have executed this contract or agreement. You are encouraged to have an attorney review your contract
....to ensure you thoroughly understand the terms.....etc " Attached to that was the "Developer's concept of what the Villages was; and what it would be...(all 34 pages)".
Additionally...we still have a copy of the written sales brochure edition 2004.."The Villages Our Hometown"...which states in writing what The Villages was.and touts all the perks...etc.
Also have The Villages Golf and Country Club Living sales brochure (Revised 11/20/02)...that specifically
notes Hacienda CC and its' amenities..
This is just a few written items...the developer would have to address.
Cannot see someone promising something...to entice another party to buy something...and then totally disregarding what they promised in writing.
Hope this info helps.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by npwalters

That is just the site where the CC was. To give you a basis of comparison, a developer is building apartments for about 260 people on 466 just east of TV property. They are using roughly 40 acres to accommodate the the buildings and parking.

...and that developer was required by the county to finance the building of turn lanes and signals on 466.
It's yet to be seen if anything will be done on Morse Blvd.

[LG999]

Is it contractually legal to sell a certain lifestyle and then change it?

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob

I believe the rec centers are amenities that are owned by the districts north of 44. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

It sounds like you are confusing rec centers with championship club houses (restaurants). The developer owns all championship golf courses and facilities.

[Villagesgal]

Originally Posted by rtrav711

I noted that "Joseppe" stated earlier..

I get why everyone's upset over this, but I don't understand the thinking that complaining, arguing or fighting it is going to change it. Those promises of a perceived lifestyle were never put in writing and are not defensible. I'd say the only reasonable option you have is to either accept its going to happen or leave the Villages before your property values and lifestyle are infringed upon. Those are the things you can change, the coming of apartments you probably cannot change.

The remarks are well taken.

But there are many things in writing by the developer.

The Restated property report we received from the State of Connecticut...before our real estate closing ...which advised us " You are entitled to cancel this contract by midnight or the third day on which you have executed this contract or agreement. You are encouraged to have an attorney review your contract
....to ensure you thoroughly understand the terms.....etc " Attached to that was the "Developer's concept of what the Villages was; and what it would be...(all 34 pages)".
Additionally...we still have a copy of the written sales brochure edition 2004.."The Villages Our Hometown"...which states in writing what The Villages was.and touts all the perks...etc.
Also have The Villages Golf and Country Club Living sales brochure (Revised 11/20/02)...that specifically
notes Hacienda CC and its' amenities..
This is just a few written items...the developer would have to address.
Cannot see someone promising something...to entice another party to buy something...and then totally disregarding what they promised in writing.
Hope this info helps.

Talk is just talk. Get people together to pay for and hire a legal team. It's been tried before and failed every time. People love to sound off but won't stand behind what they say when they have to open their wallets. Good luck trying.

Been here 19 years, heard it all before, changes made that people were screaming no to when suggested all ended up just fine, even traffic problems relieved with stop lights. So either put out for attorneys or sit back and watch the changes take place. Of course, you can always move away too. Me, I'm staying, it's still better than anywhere else I'm aware of.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Villagesgal

Talk is just talk. Get people together to pay for and hire a legal team. It's been tried before and failed every time. People love to sound off but won't stand behind what they say when they have to open their wallets. Good luck trying.

Been here 19 years, heard it all before, changes made that people were screaming no to when suggested all ended up just fine, even traffic problems relieved with stop lights. So either put out for attorneys or sit back and watch the changes take place. Of course, you can always move away too. Me, I'm staying, it's still better than anywhere else I'm aware of.

100 to 150 people making opposing comments out of 150,000 ........ not a strong showing.


Traffic problems................welcome to Florida. The Villages does not have "Florida traffic" issues.


Rental properties.............welcome to Florida.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

...and that developer was required by the county to finance the building of turn lanes and signals on 466.
It's yet to be seen if anything will be done on Morse Blvd.

We need many more turning lanes in the north of 466, but the developers have their attention focused on the south of 466.