[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Thank you, Bogie!

As I mentioned before, I had never seen that brochure.
I think I may have to go back to the U of F to get an
engineering degree so I can decipher it!

I will still silently keep praying that one fine day,
they remove those stupid things so that traffic
can go straight through on Morse and Buena Vista
with stop signs for traffic coming from the east/west villages.

Oops!
Did I throw another coal in the fire???
Will I get burned again?

In this case praying will do no good!

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Thank you, Bogie!

As I mentioned before, I had never seen that brochure.
I think I may have to go back to the U of F to get an
engineering degree so I can decipher it!

I will still silently keep praying that one fine day,
they remove those stupid things so that traffic
can go straight through on Morse and Buena Vista
with stop signs for traffic coming from the east/west villages.

Oops!
Did I throw another coal in the fire???
Will I get burned again?

And I will pray they don't remove them in favor of stop signs. All you have to do is see the problems residents along Morse between 466 and Rio Grande have trying to enter Morse during the high season. It's almost impossible to make a left turn onto Morse out of those neighborhoods. I believe that's why they changed to roundabouts.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by mikeod

And I will pray they don't remove them in favor of stop signs. All you have to do is see the problems residents along Morse between 466 and Rio Grande have trying to enter Morse during the high season. It's almost impossible to make a left turn onto Morse out of those neighborhoods. I believe that's why they changed to roundabouts.

Well, your praying won't work and neither will mine, unfortunately.

However . . . I have never been anywhere else in the country
where we have a mass of these stupid,
gas guzzling, accident causing circles.

Anywhere else, main streets go straight through
(Morse & Buena Vista in our case), with an occasional traffic light.
The artery streets (our separate villages)
all have stop signs before entering either of the two main streets.

The real facts are -- THAT is what works!
The traffic safely flows and egress into our main two arteries
permits cars to safely enter these streets because of the stop signs.

We are no different than any other city in Florida.
We all have the seasonal heavy flow of traffic,
and even in areas such as Ft. Lauderdale, Sarasota, Boca Raton,
etc., what I have described above is the only thing that
works to maintain safety and a steady flow of traffic.

[alzjr]

last time I checked I was getting 0 miles per gallon while stopped at a stop sign or red traffic signal

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

[B][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][CENTER][SIZE="4"]Well, your praying won't work and neither will mine, unfortunately.

However . . . I have never been anywhere else in the country
where we have a mass of these stupid,
gas guzzling, accident causing circles.

I've been here eight years and can't recall a lot accidents in the roundabouts. I experience little trouble with them, perhaps because I get into the proper lane prior to reaching the roundabout for my destination leaving it. I yield to any traffic already in it to my left. My only close calls occur when someone either through ignorance or arrogance insists on going all the way round in the outside lane, thereby cutting off those navigating properly or those who don't understand what the YIELD signs mean at the entrance to the roundabout. So, anticipating those two roundabout errors allows me to smoothly go where I wish without drama.

As far as making Morse and Buena Vista through streets with stop signs or lights, I think that would create other problems you may not anticipate. Speed limit on those roads is 35. I am constantly passed by people going 45 or faster. If they had a clear shot without roundabouts, imagine what the speed would be. Also, especially in the high season, imagine how traffic would back up inside villages trying to get out onto those main roads. Again, just look at Morse between 466 and Rio Grande between January and May.

The truth is the roundabouts work. It's the drivers who won't follow the simple rules of navigating them that create the problems. And don't blame age. My 91 year old mother lives here and drives them daily without problems. She understands the rules. It isn't hard.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Because he isn't a rude person and the driver was giving him a ride.

I was thinking more of saving someone's life rather than being rude.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mikeod

I've been here eight years and can't recall a lot accidents in the roundabouts. I experience little trouble with them, perhaps because I get into the proper lane prior to reaching the roundabout for my destination leaving it. I yield to any traffic already in it to my left. My only close calls occur when someone either through ignorance or arrogance insists on going all the way round in the outside lane, thereby cutting off those navigating properly or those who don't understand what the YIELD signs mean at the entrance to the roundabout. So, anticipating those two roundabout errors allows me to smoothly go where I wish without drama.

As far as making Morse and Buena Vista through streets with stop signs or lights, I think that would create other problems you may not anticipate. Speed limit on those roads is 35. I am constantly passed by people going 45 or faster. If they had a clear shot without roundabouts, imagine what the speed would be. Also, especially in the high season, imagine how traffic would back up inside villages trying to get out onto those main roads. Again, just look at Morse between 466 and Rio Grande between January and May.

The truth is the roundabouts work. It's the drivers who won't follow the simple rules of navigating them that create the problems. And don't blame age. My 91 year old mother lives here and drives them daily without problems. She understands the rules. It isn't hard.

All points well made!