[DonH57]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Perhaps I'll make an inquiry as to weather they will hire professional strippers, or use local wrinklies.

Should always hire professional.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Some folks like to go to meetings and talk about stripping OR Striping.. Others like to talk about how nice this place is and how amazing the folks are that thought it all out.

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It wasn't the "billion-heirs" that thought it out. That person is deceased. I applaud Gary Morse for his vision and effort, but some have taken it to a cult worship level. And I don't think his children have the same interest for the residents as Gary. But time will tell.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by outlaw

It wasn't the "billion-heirs" that thought it out. That person is deceased. I applaud Gary Morse for his vision and effort, but some have taken it to a cult worship level. And I don't think his children have the same interest for the residents as Gary. But time will tell.

Do you know how folks get to be Billionaires? Work. I am a HUGE fan of Capitalism. Free Enterprise. The American Dream. Never belonged to a cult.


Harold was very lucky to have a son who turned his good idea into an amazingly thought out plan that no one has come close to duplicating. I also like Jonas Salk and a bunch of medical heros. Not much into soccer. Each of us have our own heros to look up to.


AND I don't see a thing to complain about with Mark, Jennifer and Tracy. They could have walked away because their inheritance could keep them living well for many lifetimes, but they are still working. Yep. Still working. And still keeping thousands of people working. Could THAT be part of their motive?

[villagetinker]

I really do not have a dog in this fight, as I very rarely use the golf cart, way too dangerous, I use the car.
However, speed bumps sound like a bad idea. I can just see items being knocked out of the cart (clubs, balls, drinks, KIDS), and the driver stopping suddenly, you get the idea.
Possibly additional signage, and MAYBE the squiggly lines that are used in Europe might be useful. I am not a traffic engineer, so I will defer to the experts.

Unfortunately, you cannot enforce COMMON SENSE, and I know that when the cost comes up there will be a huge split and discussion (or arguments) over this.
Balanced discussion would be good to provide the delegates with sufficient background to provide a stance that REPRESENTS THE MAJORITY OF TV.

Just my humble thoughts, please do not shoot the messenger.

[Topspinmo]

As far as the Morse family I have no problem with them, as far I am concerned they done great things and are rewarded for it, success!


Might as well get over it the MMP will have strips. Let's move on to why there not enough golf holes. I'll be the first to say it any thing going to break the bank is course maintenance of 630 plus holes and planting annual flowers every three months (and just when the looking pretty they pull them up) before, in, and after roundabouts where perennials should be planted due safety concerns and financial responsibility. LOW perennials so you can see traffic over the plants. Never could figure out why plant high bushes (or they are over grown) blocking traffic entering the road? I am surprised the monthly fees haven't gone up? I suspect it's coming? Then we will really have something to complain about!

[tuccillo]

I believe any increase in the monthly amenities fee is tied to the CPI.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

As far as the Morse family I have no problem with them, as far I am concerned they done great things and are rewarded for it, success!


Might as well get over it the MMP will have strips. Let's move on to why there not enough golf holes. I'll be the first to say it any thing going to break the bank is course maintenance of 630 plus holes and planting annual flowers every three months (and just when the looking pretty they pull them up) before, in, and after roundabouts where perennials should be planted due safety concerns and financial responsibility. LOW perennials so you can see traffic over the plants. Never could figure out why plant high bushes (or they are over grown) blocking traffic entering the road? I am surprised the monthly fees haven't gone up? I suspect it's coming? Then we will really have something to complain about!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

As far as the Morse family I have no problem with them, as far I am concerned they done great things and are rewarded for it, success!


Might as well get over it the MMP will have strips. Let's move on to why there not enough golf holes. I'll be the first to say it any thing going to break the bank is course maintenance of 630 plus holes and planting annual flowers every three months (and just when the looking pretty they pull them up) before, in, and after roundabouts where perennials should be planted due safety concerns and financial responsibility. LOW perennials so you can see traffic over the plants. Never could figure out why plant high bushes (or they are over grown) blocking traffic entering the road? I am surprised the monthly fees haven't gone up? I suspect it's coming? Then we will really have something to complain about!

How many golf holes is enough?
BTW all plantings in the roundabouts are being reviewed and if blocking view of traffic, it is being corrected.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

The POA bulletin that dropped off monthly in your driveway on front page has MMP rules of the road, Everything you ever wanted to know about MMP
On page 8 It takes about the stripping. I interpreted it as all 42 miles in districts 1 thru 10 will get stripped starting in May June time frame when the snowbirds fly away. I also interpered the discussion is over! It's going to be done. Anybody else read the bulletin?

lots of other information in there also.

topspinmo: I did indeed read that POA Bulletin and was left with the impression that the POA is again meddling . It all appeared to be overkill

[tuccillo]

I believe what they stated was that striping and RPMs (reflective pavement markings) would be implemented for island medians, trail-side obstructions, and roundabouts only. I did not interpret this as striping everywhere. Assuming this is in fact true, it sounds like a reasonable plan.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

The POA bulletin that dropped off monthly in your driveway on front page has MMP rules of the road, Everything you ever wanted to know about MMP
On page 8 It takes about the stripping. I interpreted it as all 42 miles in districts 1 thru 10 will get stripped starting in May June time frame when the snowbirds fly away. I also interpered the discussion is over! It's going to be done. Anybody else read the bulletin?

lots of other information in there also.

[tuccillo]

I read the article as saying that a legislative change to Chapter 316 of the Florida Statues would need to be made in order to enforce speed limits on the MMPs. I did not read anything that would indicate that this is actually being pursued. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Originally Posted by rubicon

topspinmo: I did indeed read that POA Bulletin and was left with the impression that the POA is again meddling . In that article are statement such as Statute 312 is being revised to allow LOE to police and to insert traffic devices on MMP's. It also speaks to the fact that if a golf cart is set to go over 20mph then the owner is guilty even if s/he never goes over 20mph.

so its like my car can go well over 100mph . If I exceed the limit then I can get a ticket and should accept the responsibility but not simply because it can go 100mph. I am aware of the vehicle law about the difference between a LSV and a golf cart but this is a bit much and a bit of an intentional stretch by government .

Further I am one who wants government out of my life and we have the POA promoting more oversight. So take the changes to Statue 312 to its illogical conclusions because that is where their heading.

My over view for all of this is that TVLSI designed this community to be golf cart friendly, in fact so that the main mode of transportation , replacing a car, would be a golf cart. This same TVLSI built MMP's which I believe was poor planning. This same TVLSI continues its build out.

Safety yes but not one agency has done an indepth study concerning this issue. To me its like the same argument authorities made for red light cameras (safety). Well they created more harm than good and many cities etc rigged them to collect a larger share of revenue until a judge made LOE remove them. If these changes come to pass it will have a negligible affect on accidents statistics but will certainly create more bottle necks on the MMP's. Its easy to argue safety until you find yourself behind several slow moving carts that are averaging 12-14 mph

Arguing this issue is like arguing whether government should be collecting megadata (Security/safety v privacy) concerns. I always vote the latter because I am a George Orwell fan.

[golf2140]

Originally Posted by rubicon

topspinmo: I did indeed read that POA Bulletin and was left with the impression that the POA is again meddling . In that article are statement such as Statute 312 is being revised to allow LOE to police and to insert traffic devices on MMP's. It also speaks to the fact that if a golf cart is set to go over 20mph then the owner is guilty even if s/he never goes over 20mph.

so its like my car can go well over 100mph . If I exceed the limit then I can get a ticket and should accept the responsibility but not simply because it can go 100mph. I am aware of the vehicle law about the difference between a LSV and a golf cart but this is a bit much and a bit of an intentional stretch by government .

Further I am one who wants government out of my life and we have the POA promoting more oversight. So take the changes to Statue 312 to its illogical conclusions because that is where their heading.

My over view for all of this is that TVLSI designed this community to be golf cart friendly, in fact so that the main mode of transportation , replacing a car, would be a golf cart. This same TVLSI built MMP's which I believe was poor planning. This same TVLSI continues its build out.

Safety yes but not one agency has done an indepth study concerning this issue. To me its like the same argument authorities made for red light cameras (safety). Well they created more harm than good and many cities etc rigged them to collect a larger share of revenue until a judge made LOE remove them. If these changes come to pass it will have a negligible affect on accidents statistics but will certainly create more bottle necks on the MMP's. Its easy to argue safety until you find yourself behind several slow moving carts that are averaging 12-14 mph

Arguing this issue is like arguing whether government should be collecting megadata (Security/safety v privacy) concerns. I always vote the latter because I am a George Orwell fan.

[tuccillo]

Regarding golf course maintenance, slightly more than half the holes (324) are executive courses that are maintained by the amenities fee. I assume you were referring to executive courses when you referred to "breaking the bank". The rest of the holes are championship courses which are presumably maintained by those that choose to pay their greens fees. Over the next two years or so, I believe another 4000 houses will be built without the addition of any more executive courses. Obtaining tee times on the executive courses will become a bit harder as these homes become occupied.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

As far as the Morse family I have no problem with them, as far I am concerned they done great things and are rewarded for it, success!


Might as well get over it the MMP will have strips. Let's move on to why there not enough golf holes. I'll be the first to say it any thing going to break the bank is course maintenance of 630 plus holes and planting annual flowers every three months (and just when the looking pretty they pull them up) before, in, and after roundabouts where perennials should be planted due safety concerns and financial responsibility. LOW perennials so you can see traffic over the plants. Never could figure out why plant high bushes (or they are over grown) blocking traffic entering the road? I am surprised the monthly fees haven't gone up? I suspect it's coming? Then we will really have something to complain about!

[Topspinmo]

The safety issue I was taking about in flower bed maintenance in and around the roundabouts with annuals. Not golf cart speed limit. As far as I am concerned there nothing wrong with golf carts maximum speed limit of 20 MPH. ok I read the article again strips and reflectors on blind corners, where path splits and around tunnels. What ever the engineer recommended in May 2015? So as now I interpret it on straight parts no center lines or side lines?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

While this discussion may be a dead horse for some on this forum, our elected officials may again start to look at adjustments to the multi modal trails according to the discussions at the last PWAC meeting.

Please stay on top of it and let us know the outcome.

[Bogie Shooter]

Be careful what you ask for..........