[npwalters]

New owners and potential new owners need to pay attention to what is happening in The Villages now. If you want to get an idea of what your lifestyle is going to be in several years take a look at the Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing area this month.

The developer has petitioned both Lake and Sumter County to change the existing zoning restrictions to allow multi-family housing (apartments) in Spanish Springs town square, Sumter Landing town square, Brownwood town square, and in the former location of Hacienda Hills Country Club (HHCC). The current residents are vehemently opposed to this – especially the HHCC – and have let the developer know. The developer, so far, has basically said so what, we will do what we can get away with. County Commissioner meetings are being held on 21 SEP (Monday) and in mid October. This does not affect residents in Brownwood and south but IT COULD IN several YEARS. If they choose to do it here they can choose to do it elsewhere.

You can quit reading here if you like but the remainder gets into the details you need to be well informed.

FACT: The developer plans to build a multi-story apartment complex in area that was Hacienda Hill Country Club. This complex will completely change the character of the neighborhood. It puts up to 280 apartments and about 500 new residents into plat that was a single story country club surrounded by single family homes. It will add about 500 new people to the already stressed amenities. The Amenity Authority Committee (AAC) was pressured by the developer to give about 280 amenities to the developer to make this possible. There was a hearing and the residents were firmly opposed. The AAC ignored the residents and voted to give the amenities to the developer.

OPINION: The AAC was played, rolled over like a puppy dog, and gave TV what it wanted. The affected residents are furious. You can read much more on TOTV and in the Property Owners Association (POA) newspaper.

FACT: There will be a meeting with the Sumter County special master for planning and zoning on 21 September. There are 2 meetings scheduled with the Sumter County commission in October. They will consider rezoning HHCC and 4 Sumter Landing Square locations to allow multifamily housing.

OPINION: The meeting venue with the zoning master is Everglades Recreation Center. Far from Sumter Landing and HHCC and not golf cart accessible to most. You can guess why. The developer has paired apartments in Sumter Landing and Brownwood and apartments at HHCC as an issue. This is because apartments in Sumter Landing is less egregious (although still with significant issues). They hope to muddy the water on the HHCC issue by considering them together.
The County Commissioner meeting is scheduled in October because the current commissioners change soon after that. The current commissioners are widely believed to be the developers’ lapdogs. Three incumbents were soundly voted out for that reason but will not change until after this decision.

OPINION: The developer is taking steps to change the character of the lifestyle in The Villages. They are doing this to generate additional income streams in a long developed area. The residents are firmly opposed and feel betrayed by “the family”. We love it here in our village inspired lifestyle. We want to see it stay that way. We do NOT want high density/city style life. We want the developer to recognize our concerns and forego a few bucks now to continue the long term quality lifestyle they advertise. These could well be your concerns in a few years. It is something you need to consider before you buy here.

NOTE: There will be several here that will call me a complainer – say I don’t speak for most- say some hotshot does this every few years- say the new apartment are going to be beautiful (as long as they aren’t in my neighborhood), etc. I can almost name them ahead of time. Just goes with the territory on this blog. You have to have thick skin to post here. I say go to the meetings and listen to the people speak. I have yet hear one dissenting voice other than the developers’ men.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by npwalters

New owners and potential new owners need to pay attention to what is happening in The Villages now. If you want to get an idea of what your lifestyle is going to be in several years take a look at the Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing area this month.

The developer has petitioned both Lake and Sumter County to change the existing zoning restrictions to allow multi-family housing (apartments) in Spanish Springs town square, Sumter Landing town square, Brownwood town square, and in the former location of Hacienda Hills Country Club (HHCC). The current residents are vehemently opposed to this – especially the HHCC – and have let the developer know. The developer, so far, has basically said so what, we will do what we can get away with. County Commissioner meetings are being held on 21 SEP (Monday) and in mid October. This does not affect residents in Brownwood and south but IT COULD IN several YEARS. If they choose to do it here they can choose to do it elsewhere.

You can quit reading here if you like but the remainder gets into the details you need to be well informed.

FACT: The developer plans to build a multi-story apartment complex in area that was Hacienda Hill Country Club. This complex will completely change the character of the neighborhood. It puts up to 280 apartments and about 500 new residents into plat that was a single story country club surrounded by single family homes. It will add about 500 new people to the already stressed amenities. The Amenity Authority Committee (AAC) was pressured by the developer to give about 280 amenities to the developer to make this possible. There was a hearing and the residents were firmly opposed. The AAC ignored the residents and voted to give the amenities to the developer.

OPINION: The AAC was played, rolled over like a puppy dog, and gave TV what it wanted. The affected residents are furious. You can read much more on TOTV and in the Property Owners Association (POA) newspaper.

FACT: There will be a meeting with the Sumter County special master for planning and zoning on 21 September. There are 2 meetings scheduled with the Sumter County commission in October. They will consider rezoning HHCC and 4 Sumter Landing Square locations to allow multifamily housing.

OPINION: The meeting venue with the zoning master is Everglades Recreation Center. Far from Sumter Landing and HHCC and not golf cart accessible to most. You can guess why. The developer has paired apartments in Sumter Landing and Brownwood and apartments at HHCC as an issue. This is because apartments in Sumter Landing is less egregious (although still with significant issues). They hope to muddy the water on the HHCC issue by considering them together.
The County Commissioner meeting is scheduled in October because the current commissioners change soon after that. The current commissioners are widely believed to be the developers’ lapdogs. Three incumbents were soundly voted out for that reason but will not change until after this decision.

OPINION: The developer is taking steps to change the character of the lifestyle in The Villages. They are doing this to generate additional income streams in a long developed area. The residents are firmly opposed and feel betrayed by “the family”. We love it here in our village inspired lifestyle. We want to see it stay that way. We do NOT want high density/city style life. We want the developer to recognize our concerns and forego a few bucks now to continue the long term quality lifestyle they advertise. These could well be your concerns in a few years. It is something you need to consider before you buy here.

NOTE: There will be several here that will call me a complainer – say I don’t speak for most- say some hotshot does this every few years- say the new apartment are going to be beautiful (as long as they aren’t in my neighborhood), etc. I can almost name them ahead of time. Just goes with the territory on this blog. You have to have thick skin to post here. I say go to the meetings and listen to the people speak. I have yet hear one dissenting voice other than the developers’ men.

Excellent post. For more FACTS read here
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Originally Posted by oldtimes

Totally agree, this is getting very tiresome.

Usual gang of villages cheerleaders hoping to lull potential buyers. If there only a few complainers how did the developers puppet commissioners get booted out of office overwhelming.
And by the way I am tired of kiss up to the developer posts. I believe the term is syncophant.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by npwalters

New owners and potential new owners need to pay attention to what is happening in The Villages now. If you want to get an idea of what your lifestyle is going to be in several years take a look at the Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing area this month.

The developer has petitioned both Lake and Sumter County to change the existing zoning restrictions to allow multi-family housing (apartments) in Spanish Springs town square, Sumter Landing town square, Brownwood town square, and in the former location of Hacienda Hills Country Club (HHCC). The current residents are vehemently opposed to this – especially the HHCC – and have let the developer know. The developer, so far, has basically said so what, we will do what we can get away with. County Commissioner meetings are being held on 21 SEP (Monday) and in mid October. This does not affect residents in Brownwood and south but IT COULD IN several YEARS. If they choose to do it here they can choose to do it elsewhere.

You can quit reading here if you like but the remainder gets into the details you need to be well informed.

FACT: The developer plans to build a multi-story apartment complex in area that was Hacienda Hill Country Club. This complex will completely change the character of the neighborhood. It puts up to 280 apartments and about 500 new residents into plat that was a single story country club surrounded by single family homes. It will add about 500 new people to the already stressed amenities. The Amenity Authority Committee (AAC) was pressured by the developer to give about 280 amenities to the developer to make this possible. There was a hearing and the residents were firmly opposed. The AAC ignored the residents and voted to give the amenities to the developer.

OPINION: The AAC was played, rolled over like a puppy dog, and gave TV what it wanted. The affected residents are furious. You can read much more on TOTV and in the Property Owners Association (POA) newspaper.

FACT: There will be a meeting with the Sumter County special master for planning and zoning on 21 September. There are 2 meetings scheduled with the Sumter County commission in October. They will consider rezoning HHCC and 4 Sumter Landing Square locations to allow multifamily housing.

OPINION: The meeting venue with the zoning master is Everglades Recreation Center. Far from Sumter Landing and HHCC and not golf cart accessible to most. You can guess why. The developer has paired apartments in Sumter Landing and Brownwood and apartments at HHCC as an issue. This is because apartments in Sumter Landing is less egregious (although still with significant issues). They hope to muddy the water on the HHCC issue by considering them together.
The County Commissioner meeting is scheduled in October because the current commissioners change soon after that. The current commissioners are widely believed to be the developers’ lapdogs. Three incumbents were soundly voted out for that reason but will not change until after this decision.

OPINION: The developer is taking steps to change the character of the lifestyle in The Villages. They are doing this to generate additional income streams in a long developed area. The residents are firmly opposed and feel betrayed by “the family”. We love it here in our village inspired lifestyle. We want to see it stay that way. We do NOT want high density/city style life. We want the developer to recognize our concerns and forego a few bucks now to continue the long term quality lifestyle they advertise. These could well be your concerns in a few years. It is something you need to consider before you buy here.

NOTE: There will be several here that will call me a complainer – say I don’t speak for most- say some hotshot does this every few years- say the new apartment are going to be beautiful (as long as they aren’t in my neighborhood), etc. I can almost name them ahead of time. Just goes with the territory on this blog. You have to have thick skin to post here. I say go to the meetings and listen to the people speak. I have yet hear one dissenting voice other than the developers’ men.

The minority report is duly noted.
The other 98.98437587% of us will continue enjoying the life style!!

[davem4616]

New owners and potential buyers...a very few people seem to be unhappy with life in The Villages and with change in The Villages...and for some reason harbor negative feelings toward 'the developer'. The Developer owes us nothing, but a few seem to think that the developer does.

Some will say "I didn't know 'xyz' was going to happen...they never said that when I bought".....well times change, buildings get knocked down everywhere, undeveloped land gets developed everywhere.

'The Developer' is running a private business....folks that live here are not shareholders in 'The Developers' company...this isn't an HOA or a Condo Association where people do have input. The Developer has the right to develop any property that they own and acquire with proper approval. And 'the Developer' is entitled to turn a profit on their business.

'the developer' has created an environment for 55+ people that is truly unique and is an energizing, active, and fun lifestyle
'the developer' does everything above board and goes through the proper channels...(naysayers will say he has officials in his pocket)
'the developer' has directly and indirectly created tens of thousands of jobs...wow!
"the developer' has thought of everything that we could possibly need or want and proved it either directly or helped it come about indirectly...and everything they do is done professionally and with a flair...they don't go cheap
'the developer' seeks out our input and listens to the folks in TV and really tries to make sure what they are looking and asking for happens
the common areas of The Villages are maintained extremely well...the place looks like a well kept park...the pools are well kept and clean, the tennis and pickleball courts are well kept as are the bocce courts and the softball fields...the Rec Centers are thoughtfully designed....

some folks just don't do well with change....a very small minority of folks might be a lot happier if they lived elsewhere (but I question if they'd be truly happy anywhere)

just my opinion and experience

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by npwalters

...

There will be several here that will call me a complainer ...

Uh, you suppose there's a reason?

And yet those that complain remain living here. Why? Because there is nothing that comes close to what we have here. It's the best. Always will be the best. No amount of complaining will change the happiness of many thousands who are happy and thankful to be able to live here.

Potential buyers: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

[graciegirl]

https://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/...4b4e13133.html

I am pretty sure this is going to be alright. When I first came here to look around I thought it was too good to be true. I kept looking around to find the catch. I haven't found any indication that the people running the place are greedy. I did think that the lots are smaller in the new area but then my husband said that land is more expensive and they try to offer at market prices.

I am not easily led. We have built eleven homes. I don't know the developers or his sisters or his cousins or his aunts. I am an old person loving this place.

My real name is Grace Helene Gantner.

[Aloha1]

I continue to be amazed that some obviously very unhappy folks continue to live here. If I felt as they do, I'd be looking for someplace else to live. But we are very happy here and cognizant that to stay relevant, some things will change and change can be good.

[Ladygolfer93]

Originally Posted by npwalters

New owners and potential new owners need to pay attention to what is happening in The Villages now. If you want to get an idea of what your lifestyle is going to be in several years take a look at the Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing area this month.

The developer has petitioned both Lake and Sumter County to change the existing zoning restrictions to allow multi-family housing (apartments) in Spanish Springs town square, Sumter Landing town square, Brownwood town square, and in the former location of Hacienda Hills Country Club (HHCC). The current residents are vehemently opposed to this – especially the HHCC – and have let the developer know. The developer, so far, has basically said so what, we will do what we can get away with. County Commissioner meetings are being held on 21 SEP (Monday) and in mid October. This does not affect residents in Brownwood and south but IT COULD IN several YEARS. If they choose to do it here they can choose to do it elsewhere.

You can quit reading here if you like but the remainder gets into the details you need to be well informed.

FACT: The developer plans to build a multi-story apartment complex in area that was Hacienda Hill Country Club. This complex will completely change the character of the neighborhood. It puts up to 280 apartments and about 500 new residents into plat that was a single story country club surrounded by single family homes. It will add about 500 new people to the already stressed amenities. The Amenity Authority Committee (AAC) was pressured by the developer to give about 280 amenities to the developer to make this possible. There was a hearing and the residents were firmly opposed. The AAC ignored the residents and voted to give the amenities to the developer.

OPINION: The AAC was played, rolled over like a puppy dog, and gave TV what it wanted. The affected residents are furious. You can read much more on TOTV and in the Property Owners Association (POA) newspaper.

FACT: There will be a meeting with the Sumter County special master for planning and zoning on 21 September. There are 2 meetings scheduled with the Sumter County commission in October. They will consider rezoning HHCC and 4 Sumter Landing Square locations to allow multifamily housing.

OPINION: The meeting venue with the zoning master is Everglades Recreation Center. Far from Sumter Landing and HHCC and not golf cart accessible to most. You can guess why. The developer has paired apartments in Sumter Landing and Brownwood and apartments at HHCC as an issue. This is because apartments in Sumter Landing is less egregious (although still with significant issues). They hope to muddy the water on the HHCC issue by considering them together.
The County Commissioner meeting is scheduled in October because the current commissioners change soon after that. The current commissioners are widely believed to be the developers’ lapdogs. Three incumbents were soundly voted out for that reason but will not change until after this decision.

OPINION: The developer is taking steps to change the character of the lifestyle in The Villages. They are doing this to generate additional income streams in a long developed area. The residents are firmly opposed and feel betrayed by “the family”. We love it here in our village inspired lifestyle. We want to see it stay that way. We do NOT want high density/city style life. We want the developer to recognize our concerns and forego a few bucks now to continue the long term quality lifestyle they advertise. These could well be your concerns in a few years. It is something you need to consider before you buy here.

NOTE: There will be several here that will call me a complainer – say I don’t speak for most- say some hotshot does this every few years- say the new apartment are going to be beautiful (as long as they aren’t in my neighborhood), etc. I can almost name them ahead of time. Just goes with the territory on this blog. You have to have thick skin to post here. I say go to the meetings and listen to the people speak. I have yet hear one dissenting voice other than the developers’ men.

Quite the contrary, I think you have put a LOT of research and RATIONAL analysis into this based on what HAS happened, not the emotional "gut" feelings of what "might" happen ( though I do share your vision of what is coming, I am not naive. I know very well what you mean by " labeled a complainer". For that reason I am very discrete about my personal opinion on this whole subject the the gradual changes and downward trend (some disagree with that analysis of course) in the community. There are many reasons, some have similar "gut" feelings, but don't want to say or do anything that my de-value our property even more. Others, simply lack the financial ability to just "pick up and leave" as many will so flippantly suggest, perhaps for them its very easy, for others, not so much. Some just want to close out all bad news, I understand that emotion too, why be unhappy when we can simply continue to believe this is a true "Disneyland" for adults", I would love to continue like that too, but it's getting more difficult everyday. Maybe there are silent others like me, not selling, not contacting RE agents "just to get an idea", but silently keeping score of what is happening and what seems to be accelerating; the loss of that small town feeling and a definite march toward impersonal, high rise, diversification. Interesting that many of us built our homes here to escape from. Others will see this as a very good trend, I respect that, but for me personally, I am beginning to put together some contingency plans. Maybe things will take a turn for the better once, instead of the most financially lucrative moves. There CAN be a balance of quality of life intended for the residents of these types of communities, while also making a "reasonable" profit.

[npwalters]

Notice that no one has disputed any of the facts. The opinions are mine alone and I stand behind them. The more astute and rational among the readers will take a look at what is happening and come to your own conclusion.

I encourage you to go to the meeting with the special master for planning and zoning on the 21st. Listen to the stories of the many folks that are having to cope with this change to the lifestyle they were living. Be farsighted enough to know it is "them" today but could be you tomorrow.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by npwalters

New owners and potential new owners need to pay attention to what is happening in The Villages now. If you want to get an idea of what your lifestyle is going to be in several years take a look at the Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing area this month.

The developer has petitioned both Lake and Sumter County to change the existing zoning restrictions to allow multi-family housing (apartments) in Spanish Springs town square, Sumter Landing town square, Brownwood town square, and in the former location of Hacienda Hills Country Club (HHCC). The current residents are vehemently opposed to this – especially the HHCC – and have let the developer know. The developer, so far, has basically said so what, we will do what we can get away with. County Commissioner meetings are being held on 21 SEP (Monday) and in mid October. This does not affect residents in Brownwood and south but IT COULD IN several YEARS. If they choose to do it here they can choose to do it elsewhere.

You can quit reading here if you like but the remainder gets into the details you need to be well informed.

FACT: The developer plans to build a multi-story apartment complex in area that was Hacienda Hill Country Club. This complex will completely change the character of the neighborhood. It puts up to 280 apartments and about 500 new residents into plat that was a single story country club surrounded by single family homes. It will add about 500 new people to the already stressed amenities. The Amenity Authority Committee (AAC) was pressured by the developer to give about 280 amenities to the developer to make this possible. There was a hearing and the residents were firmly opposed. The AAC ignored the residents and voted to give the amenities to the developer.

OPINION: The AAC was played, rolled over like a puppy dog, and gave TV what it wanted. The affected residents are furious. You can read much more on TOTV and in the Property Owners Association (POA) newspaper.

FACT: There will be a meeting with the Sumter County special master for planning and zoning on 21 September. There are 2 meetings scheduled with the Sumter County commission in October. They will consider rezoning HHCC and 4 Sumter Landing Square locations to allow multifamily housing.

OPINION: The meeting venue with the zoning master is Everglades Recreation Center. Far from Sumter Landing and HHCC and not golf cart accessible to most. You can guess why. The developer has paired apartments in Sumter Landing and Brownwood and apartments at HHCC as an issue. This is because apartments in Sumter Landing is less egregious (although still with significant issues). They hope to muddy the water on the HHCC issue by considering them together.
The County Commissioner meeting is scheduled in October because the current commissioners change soon after that. The current commissioners are widely believed to be the developers’ lapdogs. Three incumbents were soundly voted out for that reason but will not change until after this decision.

OPINION: The developer is taking steps to change the character of the lifestyle in The Villages. They are doing this to generate additional income streams in a long developed area. The residents are firmly opposed and feel betrayed by “the family”. We love it here in our village inspired lifestyle. We want to see it stay that way. We do NOT want high density/city style life. We want the developer to recognize our concerns and forego a few bucks now to continue the long term quality lifestyle they advertise. These could well be your concerns in a few years. It is something you need to consider before you buy here.

NOTE: There will be several here that will call me a complainer – say I don’t speak for most- say some hotshot does this every few years- say the new apartment are going to be beautiful (as long as they aren’t in my neighborhood), etc. I can almost name them ahead of time. Just goes with the territory on this blog. You have to have thick skin to post here. I say go to the meetings and listen to the people speak. I have yet hear one dissenting voice other than the developers’ men.

Good post, I agree with much of what is said. Although I am very strongly against the apartment complex at Hacienda Hills, I am not against the apartments in the town squares (except for the fact that they will put further strain on already overused amenities). I had the same thought about both the location and timing of the upcoming meeting next Monday. Hold it far away from the effected Spanish Springs/LSL area and be sure to get the meeting in while still holding the strings of their puppets.

And don't worry about being falsely labeled as a complainer. You are simply stating relevant facts along with some of your opinions. You are not complaining! The real complainers are the predictable few that will COMPLAIN like clockwork about Villagers who take the time and effort to share both facts and opinions with fellow Villagers.

P.S. Stay tuned, we still have not heard from the CHIEF COMPLAINER in the history of TOV, but we will : (

[Ladygolfer93]

Originally Posted by npwalters

Predictable

Yes, you are right, when we post it is perfectly logical to expect others will have differing or opposite opinions. For me personally, I am "undecided", not sad or unhappy person at all, but I do think I am more attacked to Florida than specifically The Villages. I do think there are many answers to your question of why people who are unhappy, or let's say "somewhat" unhappy, don't just pick up and leave. My personal experience with people I actually KNOW is; one case where it's just age and medical issues that make facing listing, open houses, moving arrangements, closings, etc. etc. (that they have faced many times during their career) now pose a major (if only mental) barrier. Others have sunk everything they have into this and simply can not afford to move. They "thought" they were moving to a rather laid back, somewhat "rural", and certainly not an apartment/high rise type community, and yes, things change. Some, like myself, don't like the trend they are seeing, but are just gathering contingencies, not so dissatisfied they want to just "pack up and leave", but uneasy about what is so obviously pretty drastic changes. Probably you can understand what I am saying ? As an example, it would be like someone being tired of their.... cabinets, counter tops, appliances, but.... they have to weight things. Perhaps they just can't tolerate the inevitable upsets, messes, delays of remodeling, perhaps the health of others is not up to the inevitable dust and dirt, and maybe others the just don't have the MONEY ? There are many legitimate reasons a person is uneasy with trends they see around them that do not increase a community's quality of life, environment, general satisfaction, and yet that does not mean they want to turn and run so to speak. Just saying.... many reasons and "get out if you don't like it" does not always fit. Folks here are 50 to 100 and more years of age, and all have very different circumstances. You are very happy, I am fairly happy, the writer of the original post is probably relatively happy, but NOT brain dead. He, or she is probably trying to keep people alive and thinking and actively involved... that does not mean he/she (?) should "pack up and leave", it's really not as much a mystery as you might think.

[vintageogauge]

Originally Posted by John41

Usual gang of villages cheerleaders hoping to lull potential buyers. If there only a few complainers how did the developers puppet commissioners get booted out of office overwhelming.
And by the way I am tired of kiss up to the developer posts. I believe the term is syncophant.

The commissioners raised our taxes 25% and would not listen to residents and their meetings. They are gone the residents are still here. Very few complaints about the apartments, they are needed here, these are very upscale and compliment the lifestyle of TV and many of the new tenants are current home owners within TV that are ready to give up caring for a yard or large home. I don't see a problem with them.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Ladygolfer93

Quite the contrary, I think you have put a LOT of research and RATIONAL analysis into this based on what HAS happened, not the emotional "gut" feelings of what "might" happen ( though I do share your vision of what is coming, I am not naive. I know very well what you mean by " labeled a complainer". For that reason I am very discrete about my personal opinion on this whole subject the the gradual changes and downward trend (some disagree with that analysis of course) in the community. There are many reasons, some have similar "gut" feelings, but don't want to say or do anything that my de-value our property even more. Others, simply lack the financial ability to just "pick up and leave" as many will so flippantly suggest, perhaps for them its very easy, for others, not so much. Some just want to close out all bad news, I understand that emotion too, why be unhappy when we can simply continue to believe this is a true "Disneyland" for adults", I would love to continue like that too, but it's getting more difficult everyday. Maybe there are silent others like me, not selling, not contacting RE agents "just to get an idea", but silently keeping score of what is happening and what seems to be accelerating; the loss of that small town feeling and a definite march toward impersonal, high rise, diversification. Interesting that many of us built our homes here to escape from. Others will see this as a very good trend, I respect that, but for me personally, I am beginning to put together some contingency plans. Maybe things will take a turn for the better once, instead of the most financially lucrative moves. There CAN be a balance of quality of life intended for the residents of these types of communities, while also making a "reasonable" profit.

Another great post. No smiling ICONs or shouting capital letters and gigantic sprawled out spacing required.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Another great post. No smiling ICONs or shouting capital letters and gigantic sprawled out spacing required.

I agree...............Ladyg's was another nice post.


(glad i got your attention as well)