[FMF Doc]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Huh! When can you exit the the first exit from the left lane? That's what you're implying by the highlighed sentence and that's not even logical since you'd be taking a right from the left lane. I don't know what your preceving, but all I'm saying is in a RAB that you can use the right hand lane to turn right or continue straight (second exit) but not continue on for the next (third) exit or in other words a left. I was answering the question from the perspective of the one asking the question. Your statement doesn't seem compatable with what I was answering!

What I am saying is on SOME of the RAB if you are in the right lane you can only exit to the right and cannot continue straight ahead.

[borjo]

Left lane if you're going 3/4 around, don't be next to any car(stagger) and don't change lanes once you're in the circle. Do signal before you exit. Simple!

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Or the guy in the proper lane who is trying to exit and is blocked by the car improperly in the outside lane.

easiest roundabout rules.

Vehicles in the roundabout have the right-of-way.

Drive single file in the roundabout, no passing allowed.

Why does it have to be any more complicated?

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by FMF Doc

What I am saying is on SOME of the RAB if you are in the right lane you can only exit to the right and cannot continue straight ahead.

Please provide a location of one like you're talking about. Neither my wife or I recall seeing any like that. I'd like to take a look see at it on Google Satellite!

[Bettiboop]

Originally Posted by flipflopz

Tell me if I'm right or wrong. When I drive the roundabouts I use the outer lane ONLY if I'm making the FIRST right hand turn I can make. Otherwise, I drive the inner lane and make subsequent right turns from there. Is this correct?

Technically I think you are in the right to do it this way, but I found it to be safer to enter the RAB in the outer lane if I am taking FIRST or SECOND (straight ahead) exit......otherwise using the inner lane if I am exiting at the THIRD or FOURTH. That way I don't have to start worrying about someone riding the outer lane all the way around until after I pass the second exit.

Just when I think I have it all figured out I read these threads and get all confused again

[Bettiboop]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Please provide a location of one like you're talking about. Neither my wife or I recall seeing any like that. I'd like to take a look see at it on Google Satellite!

I haven't run across one like this either, but it is very possible I haven't hit every RAB in TV since I am not a frog yet.

I'd like to know for sure if this is the case though so I can be sure and look out for this.

[memason]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Please provide a location of one like you're talking about. Neither my wife or I recall seeing any like that. I'd like to take a look see at it on Google Satellite!

Here's a snippet of the Google Maps Satellite view at Palmers CC. It will show that the left lane must merge into the right for the SINGLE lane exit at Palmers. This particular RAB, has 2 such exits. There are several such RAB's in TV.

At first, these feel confusing, but have to think about how traffic should actually flow... If everyone follows the rules, it will work, but in this RAB configurations, YIELD is the magic word.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

I haven't seen Bill Murry make his post yet!

Great post........

[renielarson]

I haven't seen the new signs yet but here is one that is clear and concise. I still like the way I drive the roundabouts by being in the right lane only if I am taking the first exit. Otherwise, I stay in the left lane to go straight or taking the 3rd exit. If everyone did this no one would ever get t-boned.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by flipflopz

Tell me if I'm right or wrong. When I drive the roundabouts I use the outer lane ONLY if I'm making the FIRST right hand turn I can make. Otherwise, I drive the inner lane and make subsequent right turns from there. Is this correct?

Originally Posted by memason

Here's a snippet of the Google Maps Satellite view at Palmers CC. It will show that the left lane must merge into the right for the SINGLE lane exit at Palmers. This particular RAB, has 2 such exits. There are several such RAB's in TV.

At first, these feel confusing, but have to think about how traffic should actually flow... If everyone follows the rules, it will work, but in this RAB configurations, YIELD is the magic word.

I believe I understand what you're saying... if you're coming from Lake Miona Rd and going straight through the RAB to Palmer, you need to immediately move into the inner circle then merge back to the outer circle in order to enter Palmer. (Same thing from Palmer to Lk. Miona Rd) BUT... this situation is not part of the original question (quoted above) that I was addressing.

The only reason I answered "wrong" to flipflopz's question was because of the usage of the term "only" and "Otherwise," where it excluded that you can normally proceed beyond the first exit and on to the second exit* in the outer lane or in other words proceeding straight which can be executed in not only the inner lane, but also in the outer lane. (I'm beginning to feel like I'm talking about belly buttons - innees and outies)

I do appreciate the comments I've received even if I feel they were unrelated, and thats because I think it improved my understand the RAB's and their usages and if that helped anyone else and made the RAB's safer for all of us, that's a good thing!

* When doing a final edit of this line, it dawned to me where FMF Doc's response may have been coming from. I just didn't have enough information to have comprehended it... not saying that I still would have.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by flipflopz

I haven't seen the new signs yet but here is one that is clear and concise. I still like the way I drive the roundabouts by being in the right lane only if I am taking the first exit. Otherwise, I stay in the left lane to go straight or taking the 3rd exit. If everyone did this no one would ever get t-boned.

Attachment 1812

Can it be any simpler than this sign?? Duh!

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by flipflopz

I haven't seen the new signs yet but here is one that is clear and concise. I still like the way I drive the roundabouts by being in the right lane only if I am taking the first exit. Otherwise, I stay in the left lane to go straight or taking the 3rd exit. If everyone did this no one would ever get t-boned.

Attachment 1812

CLICK HERE to see a pdf representation of the sign. Seems a little lacking, but they're probably trying to keep it as simple as possible

BTW & IMHO, I don't necessarily agree with you that the left/inner lane is the safest to go straight or to the 2nd exit:

Using the right/outer lane gives you the control of your vehicle and safety when entering the RAB and approaching the second exit where you're about to make your exit to continue straight.

However if you use the left/inner lane, even though you are properly doing so, you don't have control of any vehicle entering from your right as you are about to make your exit from the RAB leaving you vulnerable to the inappropriate entrance of the other vehicle and risk getting "t-boned" as you cross the outer lane on your exit.

You will notice that I did say "necessarily." You could get t-boned in either situation, but the other driver entering on your right is more likely to yield because of the more obvious presence and intentions of your position than they would be if they saw the open lane (outer) and misjudged your position or intent to exit from the inner lane.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Can it be any simpler than this sign?? Duh!

I agree

[renielarson]

Thank you Skyguy for the pic of the new roundabout signs. The sign is self explanatory so hopefully everyone will adhere to them...but I'm not going to hold my breath!

[Lou and Carolyn C.]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

CLICK HERE to see a pdf representation of the sign. Seems a little lacking, but they're probably trying to keep it as simple as possible

BTW & IMHO, I don't necessarily agree with you that the left/inner lane is the safest to go straight or to the 2nd exit:

Using the right/outer lane gives you the control of your vehicle and safety when entering the RAB and approaching the second exit where you're about to make your exit to continue straight.

However if you use the left/inner lane, even though you are properly doing so, you don't have control of any vehicle entering from your right as you are about to make your exit from the RAB leaving you vulnerable to the inappropriate entrance of the other vehicle and risk getting "t-boned" as you cross the outer lane on your exit.

You will notice that I did say "necessarily." You could get t-boned in either situation, but the other driver entering on your right is more likely to yield because of the more obvious presence and intentions of your position than they would be if they saw the open lane (outer) and misjudged your position or intent to exit from the inner lane.

I agree with this assessment, this happened to us once, as we were in the left lane entering the RAB and was continuing straight on Buena Vista (BV) at one of the many RABs on BV and the vehicle in the right lane (approx. 1 car length ahead of us) kept going in the outer (right) lane in front of us, which if we were not on our guard we would have collided t-boning said vehicle!