[EdV]

Throwing more signs with confusing circles and arrows going every which way, at 80,000 powder heads is only adding to the confusion.

And those that think that single lane roundabouts will create big backups should consider this. If I’m waiting in the right lane to enter a roundabout intending to take the first exit and there is a vehicle coming around the bend in the inner lane, I must wait until it passes to enter (even if that vehicle would be continuing on in the roundabout). So where’s the big benefit of the two lanes.

Single lane roundabouts like this one should have been built here from the get go considering the demographics of TV which includes reflex diminished seniors, out of state snow birds, first time previewers, and right hand challenged Brits.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by EdVinMass

Throwing more signs with confusing circles and arrows going every which way, at 80,000 powder heads is only adding to the confusion.

And those that think that single lane roundabouts will create big backups should consider this. If I’m waiting in the right lane to enter a roundabout intending to take the first exit and there is a vehicle coming around the bend in the inner lane, I must wait until it passes to enter (even if that vehicle would be continuing on in the roundabout). So where’s the big benefit of the two lanes.

Single lane roundabouts like this one should have been built here from the get go considering the demographics of TV which includes reflex diminished seniors, out of state snow birds, first time previewers, and right hand challenged Brits.

Ed, normally I respect your opinions and knowledge about TV. However, calling everyone of the 80,000 villagers powder heads doesn't set well with me.
Maybe its just the envious powder heads that come to TV from Stonecrest that cause all the trouble in the roundabouts. (See thats not nice)

[Mikeod]

Folks, get over it. The roundabouts are two lanes. Are going to be two lanes. It was a condition of approving the density of TV. One lane roundabouts aren't going to happen. The two lane roundabouts are safe if people would only educate themselves about their use and not just assume they KNOW how to do it. The vast majority of drivers navigate them just fine. It's those who don't know or don't care that create problems.

I agree the placement of the new signs could be improved by moving them a bit farther from the actual roundabout.

[buzzy]

How about a decal for the center of the steering wheel ?????????

[cappyjon431]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Folks, get over it. The roundabouts are two lanes. Are going to be two lanes. It was a condition of approving the density of TV. One lane roundabouts aren't going to happen. The two lane roundabouts are safe if people would only educate themselves about their use and not just assume they KNOW how to do it. The vast majority of drivers navigate them just fine. It's those who don't know or don't care that create problems.

I agree the placement of the new signs could be improved by moving them a bit farther from the actual roundabout.

As always, Mike, you are the voice of reason. I've only been in TV six months, but I honestly don't know what the big deal is about the roundabouts. Sure there are accidents, but there are accidents in TV in non-roundabout locations and there are accidents in every community I have ever lived in. I just don't understand all the fuss but I attribute it to simply being something that many are not used to from whereever they came previously. Either get used to them or find alternate routes to get to your destination. The two lane roundabouts are not going anywhere.

[mrdills]

Got a Idea, for all those that don't want to accept the way you drive around the roundabouts you can drive your golf cart and that way it will be less traffic in the roundabouts. Less accidents, Problem Solved................... Why does everyone want to recreated the wheel ?????

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by cappyjon431

As always, Mike, you are the voice of reason. I've only been in TV six months, but I honestly don't know what the big deal is about the roundabouts. Sure there are accidents, but there are accidents in TV in non-roundabout locations and there are accidents in every community I have ever lived in. I just don't understand all the fuss but I attribute it to simply being something that many are not used to from whereever they came previously. Either get used to them or find alternate routes to get to your destination. The two lane roundabouts are not going anywhere.

If the two lane RB's were one lane RB's and there were still accidents, would we be calling for half lane RB's? I know that's a rediculous statement, but I made it just to demonstrate just how far outside of the logic box we can stretch things sometimes, and if that were widely practiced, there could very well be no TV today! If we had three lane RAB's, would the call would be for two lanes ; four lanes to three; five lanes to four, etc.? Personally, I feel that my glass is half full on this and I'm just happy we don't have RAB's like this one here in TV:

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by flipflopz

Tell me if I'm right or wrong. When I drive the roundabouts I use the outer lane ONLY if I'm making the FIRST right hand turn I can make. Otherwise, I drive the inner lane and make subsequent right turns from there. Is this correct?

The disaster that can happen from doing what is legal and logical in your scenario is that if you're going to continue straight using the inner (left) lane, at 180 degrees around when you correctly "exit" the rab to go straight, some moron in the right lane decides to go left from that right lane while he's beside you as you are "exiting" the rab. T-Bone city for you.

One of the keys is to never be beside another driver in the circle if possible. And don't enter the rab if anyone is coming on your far left----ya never know WHAT they're going to do, right or wrong.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

A matter of timing - the inside lane car should lag behind outside lane car or the outside lane car shouldn't enter the round n round until the inside line car has passed.


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I went round 'n round (no pun intended) with this a couple of years ago on this forum. I feel the same as you do, chuckinca and I had to wear a shield for all the bashing I received.

[EdV]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Ed, normally I respect your opinions and knowledge about TV. However, calling everyone of the 80,000 villagers powder heads doesn't set well with me.
Maybe its just the envious powder heads that come to TV from Stonecrest that cause all the trouble in the roundabouts. (See thats not nice)

Ahh yes, the mythical envious Stonecrest residents.

Actually, I've been a powder head most of my life since my hair started turning grey when I was 15. My remark was just meant to be a humerous reference to the demographic makeup of this area.

Speaking of which, did you know that referring to a bathroom as the powder room is derived from the fact that in colonial times, it was used to freshen up the powder on their wigs.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

They really are simple to use and if the rules are followed work extremely well.

They work exactly the same as a traffic light. If you want to turn right at a light, you use the right hand lane. If you want to turn left at a light you use the left hand lane. If you want to go straight through you use either lane. And you always yield to someone already in the intersection. Roundabouts work exactly the same way. Those that can't follow those simple rules are probably a problem any where they drive.

This is the one and only rule that truly makes TV round a bouts work without mishap.

[fjsimone]

Well said. The number of times I have almost been hit by
non yielding drivers into rab and whipped lash turning
cars by inner drivers is significant. U must drive and
think defensive. FYI was turning onto 466A by new construction.
Car on wrong side going east. Luckily great truck driver with oversized load stopped
and blocked lane. Truck had to honk, flash lights and hand signal to get
driver into correct lane. Could have been a 45mph head on.
It was @1pm.

[EdV]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Folks, get over it. The roundabouts are two lanes. Are going to be two lanes...

Some of us won't get over it because we prefer to look at the way things should be and say "why not".

Originally Posted by mikeod

The two lane roundabouts are safe if people would only educate themselves about their use.....

But they won't, so the two lane roundabouts will remain unsafe.

Originally Posted by mikeod

....The vast majority of drivers navigate them just fine...

Actually quite the opposite. Go to any roundabout and count the number of drivers who enter when both lanes are NOT free. I'd venture to guess it's the majority of drivers.

[JoeC1947]

IMHO....It's not the roundabout that's dangerous, it's the people that drive in them (yes, just like a gun). It's a combination of people that don't care, don't remember, are in a hurry, feel entitled or, think they are doing it right. How many people don't stop at stop signs or speed? A stop sign or speed limit sign and what they mean couldn't be simpler. People understand them but still....

The new signs are very good and when the people that care, and thought that they were doing it right before but weren't, see the signs I think it will sink in with most of them eventually. As for the ones that, don't remember, are in a hurry or feel entitled to do as they please.......well, nothing will change their minds or the way the negotiate roundabouts. In the mix of drivers we have here, there is no perfect solution.

[ajbrown]

At the risk of jinxing myself. My feeling in a roundabout is the same as what I tell ‘newer’ golfers. You cannot hit me. I do not care how you drive in the roundabout, you cannot hit me. (lets rule out ramming me in the rear end )

Same as on a golf course playing with ‘newer’ golfers. A ‘newer’ golfer will often look up and say watch out, I do not know where this is going to which I say give it a rip , you cannot hit me.

If you position yourself correctly and are aware of your surroundings no one can hit you.

Good luck.

PS. BogieShooter, I think we can get this thread over 200 posts
PS2. I hope the outside world does not judge us by these roundabout threads