[gradnjw]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Very true.

People should be able to vote as they wish without the hatred that is springing up all over.

My 3 sisters hate Trump and are mad at me for voting for him

Hopefully this will end after the election.

Same here. But I am ever so grateful my 3 sisters and I don’t let it disrupt our relationships. It takes work, but we don’t want to lose each other over politics.

[oldtimes]

Too many people are convinced that they are right and need to stuff their views down everyone’s throat. In a democracy opposing views are supposed to be allowed and determined at the elections.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Very true.

People should be able to vote as they wish without the hatred that is springing up all over.

My 3 sisters hate Trump and are mad at me for voting for him

Hopefully this will end after the election.

I'm with your sisters. Good for them.

[bobnyce]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

To me two possible cures.

Term limits so public office is not forever
A third political party to help these people remember whom they work for.

Guess who runs the Country with term limits? Bureaucrats, lifer bureaucrats, even worse. Having served in office, I know who writes all of those ridiculous laws and regulations. Most elected officials don't even read the crap they sign. It is the bureaucrats that run everything and they stay for life, get 70% pensions then retire laughing all the way.

Term limits for all in government, elected officials and employees or it will mean nothing! My two cents.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

I'm with your sisters. Good for them.

I am with Stu. Good for him!

Not sharing one's politics among family and friends is my policy. It boils down to either preaching to the choir (hopefully) or creating ill feelings.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rustyp

The U.S. Presidential Election: Can Donald Trump can once again defy the polls? | Four Corners - YouTube


Segment from the 7 minute to the 14 minute mark about The Villages. I wish I could edit this to just that segment as the rest of the video is about how important it is to win Florida in the upcoming election. My purpose is not political but to point out how we - The Villagers look to the rest of the country independent of political party and relay some sadness this has personally caused me. There is a segment around the 10 minute mark that describes people having become so hostile to each other they have been ousted from social circles. This hits home for me. For years I had a golf group playing 3 times per week. Last year it got so bad as leader had to make a rule no talking politics. Didn't work. We had to abandon the group and some friendships parted ways.

Yes, that also happened to me. National polarization worked its way to the local level. So sad! We are entering an even more pivotal time period. So, buckle up - we here and the whole US could go in EITHER direction. We could go back to friendly (maybe even friendlier) or we could further alienate each other. It depends on too many factors to mention. I imagine that almost no one appreciates this animosity. There may be some people that prefer this constant tension as it gives them some monetary or psychological reward. I hope that the trend is toward the "LIGHT" winning out against the "DARK". I wonder if the Christmas season will help? Good luck to all-you-all!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Boomer

rustyp,

I will try to watch your video later. But I just wanted to say that you bring up an interesting point that I wish we could have a thread discussing — but it probably would not last.

There are so many vignettes of the division in everyday lives of everyday people showing us that many relationships are probably ripped beyond repair.

There was an overheard conversation at a table of ROMEOs (Retired Old Men Eating Out) who were at an outside restaurant. Two of the men said that their adult granddaughters no longer speak to them.

If we ever decide to sell our house, I thought I knew what agent we would use — unless we FSBO. But then her husband decorated his vehicle to the max to go to a parade. I suspected she follows his thinking but even so, how dumb it is to mix business and politics. I won’t forget and our listing now would never be with her. That commission would be a tidy sum and I just don’t feel the same about these people. Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are — in my opinion anyway. (I keep my mouth shut but I sometimes wish I did not. I am glad we are not allowed to have signs because I might be tempted to put some in my yard.)

Families, and even couples, are being torn up to a place far beyond anything remotely imaginable in politics-past.

It makes me sad. (“It was my party and I’ll cry if I want to.” That’s probably what I would put on a sign — a sign from which only an elder-Boomer would pick up the allusion.)

That was a good post. If you could have mass-produced that sign - you might have made some BIG bucks.

[Jerseygirl08]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Very true.

People should be able to vote as they wish without the hatred that is springing up all over.

My 3 sisters hate Trump and are mad at me for voting for him

Hopefully this will end after the election.

So true !! I have a brother who used to be a loving, funny, happy man but now he is so sick with TDS, posts so much fake news and says the ugliest stuff on FB. It seems like many of his friends up in Spokane area agree with him; nobody will call him out on his shameful rhetoric and hatred he's spewing out on the internet. I sure hope this does all end after the election. I'm hoping so. If I call him out one more time, he may block me, or FB may block me. (Wouldn't really bother me if FB blocked me anyway.) I really prefer my relationship with my brother is healed, not made worse. But there comes a time when you just have to speak up. Geez.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by xcaligirl

The Villages isn't what it was when we moved here in 2014. The people are outrageously rude, mean, no filters and for no reason! I have no idea what happened over the years but I would love to find somewhere else to live. My husband FINALLY got to see the true colors come out in people today.... I'm actually embarrassed for their attitude and the way they act!

That is a VERY good post, a very BRAVE one. Many people have an attitude that they are mandated by society to suffer through anything BAD and pretend that NOTHING bothers them. People pick the Villages because it seems WONDERFUL on the surface. Then, after about 5 years they start seeing the flaws - small things. The US as a whole is in a bad period where people are alienated. Many people are drinking too much! The CV has accelerated recent History and it affects everyone. I do not think that moving somewhere else in the US will solve your problem. You might try Australia or some other country with a reputation for friendliness. And they have much less CV. That is, if you could afford that move? Otherwise, if you stay here, you will need something like a yoga class or a new hobby, or all new friends? Good luck!

[Jerseygirl08]

Originally Posted by Bucco

81 years old. Been deeply involved in politics and political differences.

Never ever Seen anything like what has been created.

Shame is nobody will allow discussion of the reason

Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences....not issue discussions at all. Hate is difficult to discuss.

Right on. Hit the nail on the head. Hate is what we are seeing. It's now, somehow, acceptable to show your hated and then claiming "freedom of speech, peaceful protesting". Hogwash!! Pulling down statues, burning and destroying innocent people's businesses, beating up and killing others . . . . not peaceful, not protesting, not acceptable in America!! Who would disagree with that?? People's personal anger and hatred and negativity towards the American way is oozing out all over this country. Sad times. Wish we could go back. Hopefully, those of us who pray will do so. I, for one, have been to other countries and it's always good to return to American soil. I'm done now.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal

You are doing the same thing then - holding THEIR political views against YOURS. That makes you just as bad as everyone else who would let a business venture change or a relationship, etc.

In 2016 I could accept the fact that there were many I knew who voted differently from me. (It might surprise you to know that I have always been a moderate. Voted blue at the state level most of the time because of support for public education. But voted top of ticket, pretty much half and half throughout the years.)

But that was then. This is now.

I have never seen such behavior around an election. It is the in-your-face, loud, brazen, inane stuff that looks to me like it borders on worship of a person not a support of an ideology.

The object of this affection and attention behaves in a manner that represents everything we try to teach our children and grandchildren not to be and do.

I cannot accept lies, lack of empathy, mocking of sickness and death, dehumanizing children in cages, vicious mimicking of the disabled, saying our soldiers are losers and ignoring bounties on their heads, welcoming and encouraging violent organizations based on hatred for those of a different color, eviscerating the middle class with impossible health insurance costs and ridiculous college tuition, trying to destroy the free press, disdain for strong women, threatening to soon be wiping out protection of pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace that protection, falsely propping up the market with those cooperate tax cuts that are being spent on stock buybacks in the trillions, driving this country further into obscene debt, seeing the position of attorney general as a personal lawyer, staffing important government positions with those who will always say yes, delusions of grandeur, wannabe dictator with a plan to set up a family dynasty to go forth with the pillaging and plundering. I could go on — and on.

I know I am skating on thin ice here, hoping the moderator lets us have just this week, just this thread, to say our piece.

The piece I just said here is what I cannot say to those I know who are caught up in this never before seen behavior. I do not say anything because their mob-mentality is a little scary so it’s not worth it.

I just wanted to explain why I feel as I do. When I see people falling in line, loudly proclaiming their support of the behaviors as I listed above, it makes me wonder who they really are.

Boomer, defending herself

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Just because we live as we grew up doesn't mean we are racist. I was told by family as a young person that when it was time to pick a mate to choose someone who is the most like the people you know and respect. I did. It was good advice. It isn't WRONG to enjoy people who think and believe similarly to yourself. Unless you are an Ax murderer.

Perhaps diversity is extolled. It isn't always comfortable.

Diversity is like salt or pepper - a little bit is very good but, too much forced in your face is bad. The US had too much immigration from the 1980s on. It was forced upon the US by the upper class that needed workers and servants to support their extravagant lifestyles. And NOW......soon we will have more A.I. and robotics and LESS people will be needed. What will we do with them? Will they form more criminal gangs? Will they rob and pillage? What else can they do? Maybe the robots will be programmed to be kind toward older people? - that's unlikely!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tvbound

"Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are."

"Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences."



Those two statements perfectly sum up where we are right now. Prior to 4 years ago, no one could have convinced me that there were so many people who harbored so much hate for others based on their skin color, gender, place of birth, sexual orientation or anything else that makes them different than themselves. To find out that I have so many friends and relatives, that have apparently had this bottled up for so long and now feel free, nae encouraged, to publicly express it, is like a high-voltage electrical shock to the whole body.

Good post.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Boomer

In 2016 I could accept the fact that there were many I knew who voted differently from me. (It might surprise you to know that I have always been a moderate. Voted blue at the state level most of the time because of support for public education. But voted top of ticket, pretty much half and half throughout the years.)

But that was then. This is now.

I have never seen such behavior around an election. It is the in-your-face, loud, brazen, inane stuff that looks to me like it borders on worship of a person not a support of an ideology.



The object of this affection and attention behaves in a manner that represents everything we try to teach our children and grandchildren not to be and do.

I cannot accept lies, lack of empathy, mocking of sickness and death, dehumanizing children in cages, vicious mimicking of the disabled, saying our soldiers are losers and ignoring bounties on their heads, welcoming and encouraging violent organizations based on hatred for those of a different color, eviscerating the middle class with impossible health insurance costs and ridiculous college tuition, trying to destroy the free press, disdain for strong women, threatening to soon be wiping out protection of pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace that protection, falsely propping up the market with those cooperate tax cuts that are being spent on stock buybacks in the trillions, driving this country further into obscene debt, seeing the position of attorney general as a personal lawyer, staffing important government positions with those who will always say yes, delusions of grandeur, wannabe dictator with a plan to set up a family dynasty to go forth with the pillaging and plundering. I could go on — and on.

I know I am skating on thin ice here, hoping the moderator lets us have just this week, just this thread, to say our piece.

The piece I just said here is what I cannot say to those I know who are caught up in this never before seen behavior. I do not say anything because their mob-mentality is a little scary so it’s not worth it.

I just wanted to explain why I feel as I do. When I see people falling in line, loudly proclaiming their support of the behaviors as I listed above, it makes me wonder who they really are.

Boomer, defending herself

And I don’t understand how anyone can defend those things you mention in paragraph 5.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are correct.

Amazing how often I am called a liberal leftist democrat on here.

I have been a conservative (a real one) for close to 60 years I think.

Not really as simple as "thinking". There are no true conservatives around frankly. I believe, and the GOP used to believe in budget constraints, morals, etc. no more.

i might remind you that back in 2007, while it got heated, ISSUES were the subject. I get mocked even though I was a big anti OBama poster, but never attacked him personally because he was a good moral man.

I hate to even venture, but I still do not think this is a political movement...it is a cult....and the GOP, my party, is going to pay the price for what has happened, along with my country.

There are good conservative Republicans still around - Bill Crystal, Steve Schmid, and the Lincoln Project. The Governors of Maryland, Ohio, and either Vermont or New Hampshire (not sure which) seem like good Republicans. Your values are not extinguished..............YET?