[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sowtime444

The Villages is using the wrong kind of card for gates. The current read range for a Villages gate card is about 2 feet. A real gate pass is UHF and has a read range up to 15 feet. You could leave a UHF card inside of a little clear plastic sleeve on your windshield and it would work from a distance. Attention Required! | Cloudflare
The big square grey readers have been able to read UHF since about 1987 I believe. So if they just started issuing UHF cards it would make everyone's life easier.

1. What makes you believe a device built to read a 125khz rfid was built with the circuitry to also read an uhf signal?

2. With all the time and effort that has gone into looking for long-range alternatives, is it really possible that the District and their vendors simply missed the use of a different card?

3. To answer another post: No, a simple reader/writer for 125KHz rfid cards would not be able to program a 900MHz uhf card

[Skip]

Originally Posted by defrey12

The cards work through the glass. No need to roll down the window.

Depends on the window. If you have metalized tinted side glass - not so much.
And some receivers are far from the driver.

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[PurePeach]

Originally Posted by CarlR33

Good point and get drenched if it’s pouring down rain for a false gated community, LOL

This isn’t a gated community — never advertised as such. The arms simply stop cars to ensure the tag # is captured on camera.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by PurePeach

This isn’t a gated community — never advertised as such. The arms simply stop cars to ensure the tag # is captured on camera.

Stopping the car to read a tag# is not required.
The system is much more advanced than that.
They can record a tag number when someone breaks a gate and never stops.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by PurePeach

This isn’t a gated community — never advertised as such. The arms simply stop cars to ensure the tag # is captured on camera.

The Villages did advertise it as a gated community on their website several years ago. But many people complained that this was deceptive and not true, so, they changed the website.

They also advertised that there were 3 movie theaters years after 2 of them had closed. Again, people complained and they changed the website.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by sowtime444

The Villages is using the wrong kind of card for gates. The current read range for a Villages gate card is about 2 feet. A real gate pass is UHF and has a read range up to 15 feet. You could leave a UHF card inside of a little clear plastic sleeve on your windshield and it would work from a distance. Attention Required! | Cloudflare
The big square grey readers have been able to read UHF since about 1987 I believe. So if they just started issuing UHF cards it would make everyone's life easier.

Not the person in the golf cart who suddenly has a gate opening and a car passing through without stopping.

[twoplanekid]

At the meeting, I pointed out that we use the exit gates as often as the entrance gates. I have seen no data from staff that shows using a card to open the entrance gate provides more efficiency than what is obtained at the auto open exit gate. Maybe all gates should operate like the exit gate to do away with using gate cards and saving money to boot.

[jamesrcorbett]

Where can you get a side mirror transporter?

[islandtiempo]

OP excellent update. Thank you. Who did you use to clone your card?

[Community Cop]

First, let me say that The Villages is a community with gates. Not the other way around.
More importantly, most of you are missing the point of having the gates. These gates are an important and necessary traffic control device. When vehicles are required to stop it allows users of the multi-modal paths (which are located behind a majority of the gates) to safely cross the road. At staffed crossings it allows the gate attendant to regulate traffic between the resident and visitor gates to allow a smooth traffic flow. Remove the stop requirement and you will increase the potential of traffic incidents. Thus creating a less safer community.

[sowtime444]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

That is interesting, but the District has already said months ago that they were going to start issuing long range cards. They could even charge for them and many people, including me, would pay for them. But apparently, they have now rejected the idea. Is there some reason why these UHF cards would be difficult or costly to implement? Please be specific as to how a UHF card can be made that will work with the current gates.

Take the following with a big grain of salt. I worked at HID Global for 15 years, which makes the big square grey readers that The Villages uses at the gates. They also make the card printers that print your ID cards, and probably make some or all of the cards themselves. But cards and readers were not my area of expertise. This was all a different department although I worked in the same company.

I don't know if my link came through or not in the original post, but I linked to one of the UHF cards that is currently sold by HID, as an example.

Here is the URL in words: http colon forward-slash forward-slash www dot hidglobal dot com forward-slash products forward-slash sio-enabled-uhf-iclass-card (that is a dual-technology card, the other one that is single frequency ends in sio-enabled-uhf-card).

This particular UHF cards at that URL above are "secure", meaning they cannot be cloned, nor can something be cloned to it. (If it says "SIO" or "Seos" then it is probably the secure type)

I don't know the price difference to the current cards but I don't think it would be a big difference. These UHF cards are NOT the ones with batteries.

That point about the secure cards aside, there are "older" UHF cards that are not as secure, which may work. But you may need more tools and expertise than just the $20 cloner. I'll ask some old colleagues because I'm actually curious too.

Anyway, The Villages would need to make sure that if their reader has UHF capability (some older ones don't), that the UHF technology is "turned on" in the readers. I don't know if it is already. Also, if some people have the current 125kHz cards and some other people have UHF cards, they would need to have both technologies "turned on" in the reader. And then they would configure the reader to have an order of preference in which the readers check for 125kHz vs UHF first, second, etc. I believe.

Normally when you are transitioning from one technology to another, you issue dual technology cards just in case any of your readers are so old that they can't be used with the newer technology. I don't know if that is the case here.

p.s. for a yearly subscription per user, The Villages could also put your gate card on your phone and use bluetooth (30 feet) to open the gate as you drive up. That would be expensive, but they could charge you $12 a year or something.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by defrey12

And you don't have to roll down the window...the card works through glass.

Except when it doesn't (like in my wife's car...)

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by defrey12

The cards work through the glass. No need to roll down the window.

Not always (as I've repeatedly said...) But I'm glad that YOURS does!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Too far away...

Sorry, but driving up on the curb is not an option... Nor is scraping the alloy wheels on the curb...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by FredMitchell

The card that you are supposed to use identifies you, not your car. If you are single, it does not matter too much. If you use something attached to your mirror, your car is identifying as the person from which the card was cloned when it passes through the gate.

You might become a person of interest...

Our chip was cloned from OUR cards. Non-Issue...