[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Blame the rise in Covid on the immigrants? No basis in reality. Another hate mongering Fox news ploy. A Texas politician tried the same reasoning. Facts don't back it up. Texas is way behind other big states in vaccinations of residents. Only 42% of Texans are vaccinated compared to 52% in California and 55% in NY. According to FEMA, less than 6% of Covid tests of immigrants at the US-Mexico border had come back positive, lower than the overall positivity rate in Texas.

Hate mongering no one is more corrosive than the NBC ANC CBS MSNBC CNN - rely on federal agencies I’ll rely on science not fear and lies.

[sail33or]

It is AMAZING to me that you people actually get in a moving vehicle because I can absolutely prove to you a person died yesterday "IN A MOVING VEHICLE". (Yes, DIED.)

Well it was the sudden stop that actually got them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

There are multiple reasons why people aren’t getting vaccinated. First, there are some who have been told by their doctors not to get vaccinated due to their health. Second, people who already have had Covid are said to have natural immunity. Third, some people feel as though the vaccines are not safe as they’ve still not obtained FDA approval, the efficiencies are unknown, the long term effects are unknown, and the risk of dying from Covid is pretty slim. These are all good reasons that people haven’t been vaccinated. I have friends who are not vaccinated and that’s their choice to make.

People who say "it hasn't gotten FDA approval" are just pretending. They're not sincere. How many of them are taking vitamin supplements, putting moisturizer on their face because the manufacturer insists it's "anti-aging" moisturizer? How many of them self-medicate with a glass of wine at the end of the day to relax? How many of them take pro-biotics to support bone health or digestive disorders?

NONE of those things are FDA approved. Not a single one of them. And yet tens of millions of people use them every single day to treat or cure a medical problem.

Why are they saying that "FDA" is the reason they refuse? Because the media they've chosen to listen to has insisted that the vaccine is only good if the FDA approves it. If it's not FDA approved, then it MUST be dangerous.

Meanwhile, those people who are making these proclamations are taking probiotics, relaxing with a drink, smearing their faces with moisturizers, and taking enough vitamin D to choke a horse as a preventative. They're also the same people who insisted that hydroxycholoroquine and a z-pak (azithromicyn) are safe and effective but the FDA was refusing to approve it, and everyone should get some anyway. And the dupes who CHOSE to believe all that horsepucky, believed all that horsepucky and ranted and railed against the gubbment , and found ways of getting it anyway.

These are the people who are making a fuss about the vaccine not being FDA approved.

The most pathetic part of this is: the FDA HAS APPROVED IT FOR EMERGENCY USE. This is an emergency.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Jeanette.U

I had a haircut yesterday and I wore a mask. I was the only one there who was wearing a mask. The lady who cut my hair told me I didn’t have to wear a mask. I asked her if she was vaccinated. “Not yet” she said. I kept my mask on. Yes, I’m vaccinated. I’m not happy about going back to masking up for anything indoors but seeing Florida’s stats, I’m doing it.

Why did you feel it necessary to wear a mask? Do you not trust the vaccine to keep you safe? Do you believe you, a vaccinated person, could infect your unvaccinated hairdresser?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by KRMACK55

You don’t know or understand the exceptions. Those with breathing issues compromised immune systems under chemo and many other conditions. Don’t judge what you know nothing about.

Half the US population have breathing issues, compromised immune systems, or are undergoing chemotherapy? The part of the population that *does* have those conditions would be protected if the other part, the ones who only have excuses, would get vaccinated.

[KYtoTV2021]

no need for masks. We are all fine

[billethkid]

I always come away from posts that infer wearing masks keeps one safe.....wondering.....

We all know that wearing a mask is for the protection of others from YOU!!!!

Right?!

[SugarOnMyTongue]

Come on folks, do your part to let us all get back to living our lives the best we can.

If you know an idiot that can be vaccinated who hasn't been vaccinated, tell that ignorant and selfish person to get the shot.

If it comes to it, I fully support all government subsidies being taken from anyone that is a vaccine candidate who has not been vaccinated.

This has gone on long enough. It's not political. It's about health and economy. Do the right thing!

[tuccillo]

What Government subsides are you referring to?

Originally Posted by SugarOnMyTongue

Come on folks, do your part to let us all get back to living our lives the best we can.

If you know an idiot that can be vaccinated who hasn't been vaccinated, tell that ignorant and selfish person to get the shot.

If it comes to it, I fully support all government subsidies being taken from anyone that is a vaccine candidate who has not been vaccinated.

This has gone on long enough. It's not political. It's about health and economy. Do the right thing!

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by SugarOnMyTongue

Come on folks, do your part to let us all get back to living our lives the best we can.

If you know an idiot that can be vaccinated who hasn't been vaccinated, tell that ignorant and selfish person to get the shot.

If it comes to it, I fully support all government subsidies being taken from anyone that is a vaccine candidate who has not been vaccinated.

This has gone on long enough. It's not political. It's about health and economy. Do the right thing!

but.....but....but what about the permissive everything agenda?

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm afraid you are right. The delta variant in conjugation with the anti-vaxxers have sent us backward about a year. At this point COVID is essentially a pandemic of the unvaccinated, and I agree with the bean of my morning beverage that I am not here to protect others from themselves. Despite the new nasal carriage viral load studies, it is almost impossible for a vaccinated person to spread the virus to another vaccinated person.

About a year ago I was opposed to "vaccine passports", now I'm not so sure. The problem is that signs that ask you to wear a mask if not vaccinated created an "honor system", and our country is not as "honorable" as it once was. I guess it was foolish to expect that those who are irresponsible enough to refuse the vaccine would gladly continue to wear a mask. Two leading experts (if there are any) went as far as to state that we would not have this spike if only everyone was vaccinated OR the unvaccinated did as requested and continued to wear a mask indoors. So now the politicians will likely trip over themselves to make masks mandatory again, just to show how much "they care" about all the people.

The only unvaccinated group I have sympathy for are those that have medical reasons not to get vaccinated or a medical condition that makes it unlikely they will acquire immunity. But we can't make policy for 99.5% of the population for a small minority And just wait until the vaccine is approved for children---the same people that vaccinated their kids against polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. (because otherwise they could not go to school) will be objecting to the COVID vaccine. I suppose the die hard anti-vaxxers can home school their kids---kind of a blind leading the blind scenario.

You say "Despite the new nasal carriage viral load studies, it is almost impossible for a vaccinated person to spread the virus to another vaccinated person.".
If a vaccinated person has the same viral load of this new variant as an unvaccinated individual does, why would the chance to pass it on to another vaxed individual be any less? As an accountant I like to assign numbers to issues. If vaccinated Mary has a Delta viral load of 10. Unvaccinated John has a Delta Viral load of 10. Why would you (a vaccinated person) have a greater risk posed to you by one of the above vs the other?

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Jeanette.U

I had a haircut yesterday and I wore a mask. I was the only one there who was wearing a mask. The lady who cut my hair told me I didn’t have to wear a mask. I asked her if she was vaccinated. “Not yet” she said. I kept my mask on. Yes, I’m vaccinated. I’m not happy about going back to masking up for anything indoors but seeing Florida’s stats, I’m doing it.

That is certainly your choice (Wear a mask or not). If someone wants to wear a mask while driving, alone, in their car, Bless their heart. I wouldn't go around asking people if they have been vaccinated, but that is just me.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by billethkid

but.....but....but what about the permissive everything agenda?

Government subsidies? Hmmmm. Are you suggesting only those who receive government subsidies be forced to get vaccinated? As you say, for the economy. What next, sterilization or your "subsidies" are cut off?
The news plan to sow panic is certainly working.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I always come away from posts that infer wearing masks keeps one safe.....wondering.....

We all know that wearing a mask is for the protection of others from YOU!!!!

Right?!

Primarily for the protection of others against you. Somewhat from protection of yourself against others.

YOUR mask provides SOME protection to YOU, and MORE protection to OTHERs.

THEIR mask provides some protection for themselves, and MORE protection for you.

YOUR vaccine provides the MOST protection to you, more than masks that other people wear and even more than social distancing.

YOUR vaccine provides SOME protection to everyone else...

UNLESS they are also vaccinated.

If everyone in the room is vaccinated, the entire room will share the MOST protection among any other option.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Half the US population have breathing issues, compromised immune systems, or are undergoing chemotherapy? The part of the population that *does* have those conditions would be protected if the other part, the ones who only have excuses, would get vaccinated.

The hysteria many on this very board practice are hurting the very people you want to protect. Because of chemo drugs, bone marrow shots and whatever else they have given me, to keep me alive (I thank God for that) has resulted in my medical team advising I do not get the vaccine at this time. I have been yelled at, cursed, one person even spit at me for not being vaccinated and not wearing a mask. I have no desire to enter into discussions about my health a dozen times daily whenever I go out. Anyone who ever had the treatments knows that for a few days after the bone marrow stimulation drug every step hurts and your skull feels like it is going to explode. The LAST thing I want is some self important "Im Vaxxed, I care" person come up and giving me crap. Take care of yourself as best you can. Have compassion for everyone you come across. Don't assume you know what they are up to or dealing with. I have my reasons, young females may be concerned with child birth (My generation may remember the totally safe injection cure for morning sickness) and potential effects of the shot. It is easy to get wrapped in ourselves. Many on here are older (and distinguished I am sure), not having to worry about things younger, or sicker individuals do. I am so troubled by the hostility and division vaccinated and non vaccinated individuals are demonstrating, all pushed forward by the press and government. Keep us at each others throats and we will not realize who the real enemy is.