[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Rose Ann Vinci Igoe

Really, now we are blaming the immigrants unvaccinated ! Lets start where it belongs... how about OUR OWN UNVACCINATED LEGALS that refuse to be a part of the solution instead of THE PROBLEM.

How about blaming BOTH???

I guess what other posters are stating is that we can and should control our southern border, but can't control American citizens as easily. I do find it ironic that the Canadian border, which is less of a threat has been closed for over a year, while they pour in from the south. Oh, wait, we have that rocket scientist in high office that stated it is because of "global warming"

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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I fully expect us, here in The Villages and much of the U.S. to go back to "masking up" indoors yet again. The new variant is surging rapidly according to the data, esp here in Florida. Here we go again.

1. We are fully Moderna vaccinated and would absolutely get a booster when available.
2. The only times we HAD to 'mask up' indoors in the last few months was a) in the doctor's office b) on the airplanes.
3. I am still furious that China got away with starting this whole matter. I'll leave it as that.



Are YOU ready to go back to the future with Covid??? grrrr.
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A lot of mixed messages and contradictions coming from the CDC which doesn't inspire confidence. While the goal remains to get everyone vaccinated there's a lot of reports about breakthrough infections in the fully vaccinated so perhaps it's not effective against the Delta variant? No one seems to know for sure, not even the so-called experts. And those who are the vaxx holdouts who are already wary of the vaccine are in "told ya so" mode. A leading virologist, not an anit-vaxxer be any means, did warn several months ago that the vaccine would cause the virus to mutate and then cause it's own set of problems. It looks like he was right.

[Maryland Girl]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I am with you.

The psychology of those who cling to dysinformation would be fascinating if the rest of us did not have to be among those walking incubators. (Yes, I use ‘dys’ as the prefix rather than ‘mis’ because it is the more appropriate prefix.)

In one of my social groups, there is a woman who told me over a year ago that she knew the virus was being overstated because she had heard her. . .uh. . . how should I say this. ..uh, cult-leader (?) speak about it on television and that she “loved” him. Yep. She said she “loved” him on his previous television show, too.

Anyway, later on, she was hospitalized for Covid.

I saw her recently, for the first time in a long time. She had always been one of those women who is very put-together, accessorized, dressed to the nines, and her hair was professionally colored, beautifully. But now she has aged far more than a year should show, her hair is brittle and fragile, and her hairstylist told her she is seeing that hair-effect with those who have had a bad bout with Covid. Her colorist actually suggested she stop coloring her hair. (gasp)

She also told me that she is having a hard time getting past feeling generally not-so-good.

AND YET — she launched in to a thing about “freedom” — spouting all those canned phrases that have been programmed into her.

I wanted to say, “Well, you look like hell and you once looked damned good and you just blamed Covid and now you still cannot connect the dots??”

But I did not say that. I just privately decided to avoid her socially.

Damn. She has caused me to turn into one of those mean girls from high school. (sigh)

Boomer

You said 'cult-leader'? Why? 'She has caused me to turn into one of those mean girls from high school. (sigh)' I agree, this is a pretty mean post.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

A lot of mixed messages and contradictions coming from the CDC which doesn't inspire confidence. While the goal remains to get everyone vaccinated there's a lot of reports about breakthrough infections in the vaccinated so perhaps it's not effective against the Delta variant? No one seems to know for sure, not even the so-called experts. And those who are the vaxx holdouts who are already wary of the vaccine are in "told ya so" mode. A leading virologist, not an anit-vaxxer be any means, did warn several months ago that the vaccine would cause the virus to mutate and then cause it's own set of problems. It looks like he was right.

Jump to conclusions much????

[Ben Franklin]

I imagine all those anti-vaxxers might not have been born, if their parents, or grandparents weren't vaccinated in the 50s and 60s. Remember when we all cared about each other, back then?

Maybe if insurance companies told the anti-vaxxers that they wouldn't be covered, if they get COVID and were not vaccinated, then we might see some movement. All of our insurance rates will go up, because some people have no concept of others.

And scapegoating China does no useful good, as we are all guilty of allowing our planet to deteriorate to a point that if COVID doesn't get you, then the heatwaves, fires, polluted and dead oceans, Monkey Pox, or the Mucormycosis Fungi... will.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Jump to conclusions much????

What do you mean? That's what's happening. The Delta variant isn't the only mutation. This scientist said it wasn't a good idea to introduce a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic for this reason. The virus adapts to survive so then you are constantly battling new variants. How many vaccines are you going to have to get?

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Blame the rise in Covid on the immigrants? No basis in reality. Another hate mongering Fox news ploy. A Texas politician tried the same reasoning. Facts don't back it up. Texas is way behind other big states in vaccinations of residents. Only 42% of Texans are vaccinated compared to 52% in California and 55% in NY. According to FEMA, less than 6% of Covid tests of immigrants at the US-Mexico border had come back positive, lower than the overall positivity rate in Texas.

So illegal immigrants come from an area where the Delta variant is rampant, travel for days without masks, in close proximity to each other unvaccinated and arrive at the border with a lower rate of covid infection than a state with 42% vaccinated. Do you see a conundrum here?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

A lot of mixed messages and contradictions coming from the CDC which doesn't inspire confidence. While the goal remains to get everyone vaccinated there's a lot of reports about breakthrough infections in the vaccinated so perhaps it's not effective against the Delta variant? No one seems to know for sure, not even the so-called experts. And those who are the vaxx holdouts who are already wary of the vaccine are in "told ya so" mode. A leading virologist, not an anit-vaxxer be any means, did warn several months ago that the vaccine would cause the virus to mutate and then cause it's own set of problems. It looks like he was right.

Sorry, the vaccination reduces the mutation rate of the virus, it does not increase it. That is misinformation. Can you provide a link to this statement by a virologist?

Mutations (variants) occur when the virus reproduces. It reproduces literally millions of times in the first few days you are infected. There is a very small chance of a survivable mutation occurring, and so the more times the virus mutates the more the chances are of a mutation. When someone is vaccinated it reduces the number of reproductions of the virus in your body.

One of the potential sources of confusion is how antibiotics work. They work by killing the bacteria, but they don't kill 100% of the bacteria, the "strongest" and some of the "mutated" bacteria survive. This is especially true when people take antibiotics and stop taking them when they start to feel better rather than taking all of them their doctor prescribed. So, it is "darwin" in action - the fittest bacteria survive and grow to reproduce and reinfect.

This is NOT what happens with viruses and vaccines. This is also why herd immunity works, but the "herd" has to be global, not local to Florida, or the US, or to N. America. As long as there are isolated areas that are not vaccinated the virus will continue reproducing and mutating.

It is possible that a person can be vaccinated and a mutation occurs in them, but the chances of that are very slim.

And that is the problem with anti-vax'ers in general. They are protecting themselves by putting everyone else at risk. Not just the COVID vaccination, but the recent surge in Measles is another example of a small group refusing vaccination resulting in a resurgence of a long "controlled" disease.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by WindyCityzen

I wanted to punch the face of the smug Alabama Governor. For 18 months she, most Republicans, and Fox would not do anything about the virus and reticuled those who did — and now that 95% of the deaths are the unvaccinated she shames her ignorant base into getting the vax!? What a hypocrite. And a murderer. Let ‘em die long, lingering deaths.

Wow!!! Pretty hateful post.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

What do you mean? That's what's happening. The Delta variant isn't the only mutation. This scientist said it wasn't a good idea to introduce a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic for this reason. The virus adapts to survive so then you are constantly battling new variants. How many vaccines are you going to have to get?

What do I mean?????

I mean that what was posted in no way "proves" that this wacko scientist was right. If you follow his reasoning to its logical conclusion, we would never develop a vaccine to anything, even the next pandemic that might kill off 4 billion people.

PS: These viruses mutate in the wild all on their own, the vaccine does not promote it, in fact, what that "scientist" suggested is the exact opposite of herd immunity as we know it

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Bob.Betty

Blame me all you want, I choose to not get the vaccine and that will not change

No need to respond to this. I hope you have seen on the news where dying nonvaxers beg their doctor for the vaccine and their answer is..
.sorry...its too late.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Maryland Girl

You said 'cult-leader'? Why? 'She has caused me to turn into one of those mean girls from high school. (sigh)' I agree, this is a pretty mean post.

BUT a true tale often told and validated by millions.

Maybe mean, but so very and sadly accurate.

Meanness in discussions did not begin with this pandemic but earlier……and just for information, you may want to check well established definition of a cult leader.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

Wow!!! Pretty hateful post.

To a long time “hateful situation”

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

Wow!!! Pretty hateful post.

And we know she has to "punch her in the face", since there is no way in Chicago, with the toughest gun control laws in the nation, that she could get a gun or shoot anyone

(sorry, off topic)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by John41

So illegal immigrants come from an area where the Delta variant is rampant, travel for days without masks, in close proximity to each other unvaccinated and arrive at the border with a lower rate of covid infection than a state with 42% vaccinated. Do you see a conundrum here?

Correlation does not equal causation. The conundrum is jumping to conclusions and not determining actual causation.