[drducat]

The Maskholes are at it again...trying very hard to destroy our country!!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Blame the rise in Covid on the immigrants? No basis in reality. Another hate mongering Fox news ploy. A Texas politician tried the same reasoning. Facts don't back it up. Texas is way behind other big states in vaccinations of residents. Only 42% of Texans are vaccinated compared to 52% in California and 55% in NY. According to FEMA, less than 6% of Covid tests of immigrants at the US-Mexico border had come back positive, lower than the overall positivity rate in Texas.

I don't recall anyone claiming the illegals are the cause of the rise in infection. The argument I've heard is that a third of the illegals are refusing to be vaccinated and are being dumped in cities all over the U.S. If the administration is so concerned about the spread of the virus and is clamping down on American citizens why aren't they refusing to allow illegals entry into the country unvaccinated?

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I don't recall anyone claiming the illegals are the cause of the rise in infection. The argument I've heard is that a third of the illegals are refusing to be vaccinated and are being dumped in cities all over the U.S. If the administration is so concerned about the spread of the virus and is clamping down on American citizens why aren't they refusing to allow illegals entry into the country unvaccinated?

A source is much better than gossip.

I love those who say they aren't getting it because the vaccine is not FDA approved. Those people hate government agencies and now they make such a silly claim. Remember the FDA approved VIOXX that killed over 60,000 people?

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Total nonsense. There is a study that suggests the vaccinated have a nasal carriage load "indistinguishable" from the unvaccinated as far as delta variant goes. That's a long stretch to "spreading", and an even longer stretch to spreading it to another vaccinated individual. I would suggest almost all the "spreading" is unvaccinated to unvaccinated

Why do you think CDC is reversing mask policy for the vaccinated? Perhaps you should give them a call and share your expertise.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Why do you think CDC is reversing mask policy for the vaccinated? Perhaps you should give them a call and share your expertise.

Actually, I have the credentials and experience to do just that, and I know doctors there unless they are also retired. Do you?????

But to answer the question, one word. Politics.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Malsua

Ok, so let's make it a little easier.

R0 (R Nought) is the basic replication of a disease. Measles is super high. Each person who gets the measles, spreads it to 12 to 18 other people.

Original Sars-cov2, I.E. The Corona Virus, is somewhere north of 2 and somewhere south of 4. I.e R0 of 2-4.

The Delta Variant is much greater than that for two reasons. One, it's easier for the human body to recognize there is a protein that needs some help. That's what the Arginines are.

A Protease is a helper enzyme, and super simplifying it here, Sees those bits of the corona virus that are asking for help(arginines) and dissolves them. This allows the virus payload to get injected into the cell.

With 3 arginines sitting there on the stalk of the spike protein, it's really easy for the body to see this and help the poor little virus that can't do anything without some help.

The other reason Delta is so contagious is that the amount of viral shedding seems to be much much greater and sooner in the infection process. This again, is probably because it's so much easier for the protease to come along and dissolve those arginines. I.e. it infects FASTER.

As to the final part, the last I read out of Isreal is that while infections are way up, deaths are way down. This is a good thing. This means herd immunity will be achieved much sooner.

Delta is also getting though Vaccinated folks, pretty regular too. I don't know what the numbers are, but I do know two ladies in my sister's golf group, both fully vaxxed got the delta. Sinus infection, coughing, but on the mend already. Shrug, no idea what those numbers are as far as push through, but it's higher than I would like to see, but being that this disease seems to have lost a lot of it's deadliness, let 'er rip.

Interesting point, the varients seem to surge and burn out once the next more infectious varient takes hold.

Do these mutations have any effect on the accuracy/sensitivity of the COVID tests?

Anecdotally, I'm seeing more vaccinated family/friends getting and recovering upper respiratory symptoms but are COVID negative.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, I have the credentials and experience to do just that, and I know doctors there unless they are also retired. Do you?????

But to answer the question, one word. Politics.

LOL, then please call the CDC and set them straight.

Politics? These delta breakthrough cases and reports that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads and can spread the virus are the exact opposite of what Biden administration wants to hear. Reverse course and tell the vaccinated to mask up? Not a winning ticket to convince more to vaccinate or win votes. This is the last thing the administration want to see but it's obvious they have seen something that convinced them to reverse course.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

LOL, then please call the CDC and set them straight.

Politics? These delta breakthrough cases and reports that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads and can spread the virus are the exact opposite of what Biden administration wants to hear. Reverse course and tell the vaccinated to mask up? Not a winning ticket to convince more to vaccinate or win votes. This is the last thing the administration want to see but it's obvious they have seen something that convinced them to reverse course.

It's not what anyone WANTS to hear. But again, this is now essentially a pandemic of the unvaccinated, and no politician is going to tell that segment of the population to just go off and die, hence the mask theatrics.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

LOL, then please call the CDC and set them straight.

Politics? These delta breakthrough cases and reports that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads and can spread the virus are the exact opposite of what Biden administration wants to hear. Reverse course and tell the vaccinated to mask up? Not a winning ticket to convince more to vaccinate or win votes. This is the last thing the administration want to see but it's obvious they have seen something that convinced them to reverse course.

No...No you can't say that even though it is true...they will shoot you down and call you a conspiracy brat.

[drducat]

CDC Director Now Says ‘New Data’ Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated


CDC Director Now Says 'New Data' Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated

As I have been saying all along.....but noooo.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Malsua

Ok, so let's make it a little easier.

R0 (R Nought) is the basic replication of a disease. Measles is super high. Each person who gets the measles, spreads it to 12 to 18 other people.

Original Sars-cov2, I.E. The Corona Virus, is somewhere north of 2 and somewhere south of 4. I.e R0 of 2-4.

The Delta Variant is much greater than that for two reasons. One, it's easier for the human body to recognize there is a protein that needs some help. That's what the Arginines are.

A Protease is a helper enzyme, and super simplifying it here, Sees those bits of the corona virus that are asking for help(arginines) and dissolves them. This allows the virus payload to get injected into the cell.

With 3 arginines sitting there on the stalk of the spike protein, it's really easy for the body to see this and help the poor little virus that can't do anything without some help.

The other reason Delta is so contagious is that the amount of viral shedding seems to be much much greater and sooner in the infection process. This again, is probably because it's so much easier for the protease to come along and dissolve those arginines. I.e. it infects FASTER.

As to the final part, the last I read out of Isreal is that while infections are way up, deaths are way down. This is a good thing. This means herd immunity will be achieved much sooner.

Delta is also getting though Vaccinated folks, pretty regular too. I don't know what the numbers are, but I do know two ladies in my sister's golf group, both fully vaxxed got the delta. Sinus infection, coughing, but on the mend already. Shrug, no idea what those numbers are as far as push through, but it's higher than I would like to see, but being that this disease seems to have lost a lot of it's deadliness, let 'er rip.

I confess I don't know what a lot of the words in the quoted post mean, but I thought that the mention of "measles" was interesting.

Back in the day, before the MMR vaccine, I remember that when a kid in the area came down with measles, moms of kids who had not yet had measles brought their kids around to expose them, the wisdom being that the kid was going to get measles anyway eventually and to get it when it was planned and more convenient for the family was better than the kid getting it at an inconvenient or possibly dangerous time. Same for mumps and chicken pox. None of us worried much about it; for the overwhelming majority of kids it meant a few days off from school. I don't remember knowing or even hearing of a kid that died from any of the above, though some cases were more serious than others: my chicken pox case consisted of about three spots whereas my brother looked like he had been peppered with birdshot at close range. But the point was that there was no cure, and no good way of preventing it, so the best approach was just to get it over with.

Maybe there's a lesson there.

[fishon]

Kittens need to go back to living in the basement.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

CDC Director Now Says ‘New Data’ Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated


CDC Director Now Says 'New Data' Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated

As I have been saying all along.....but noooo.

But again, the number of breakthrough cases is quite small. Oh, yeah, you didn't say THAT

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Total nonsense. There is a study that suggests the vaccinated have a nasal carriage load "indistinguishable" from the unvaccinated as far as delta variant goes. That's a long stretch to "spreading", and an even longer stretch to spreading it to another vaccinated individual. I would suggest almost all the "spreading" is unvaccinated to unvaccinated

It is what the CDC said. Hence, the mask request for the vaccinated. You are free to spin any theory you want. It just gets filed as "misinformation".

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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I fully expect us, here in The Villages and much of the U.S. to go back to "masking up" indoors yet again.

We don't care what the CDC says. We will see what our esteemed leader, Gov. DeSantis, decides.

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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Are YOU ready to go back to the future with Covid???

Yeah, we are ready. We don't mind wearing a mask in Publix. We don't eat at indoor food places. We don't get close to other people. Life is good.