Why should facts get in the way of some peoples arguments.

As lawyers have said when the facts are on your side pound on the law.

When they are against you pound on the table.

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I agree 100%.

I'd actually be more concerned if YOU went into the bathroom with your granddaughter. Pedophilia is more prevalent in straight older males than in gay or trans women.

Actually, you have more power as a customer than you have as someone who doesn't help them profit.

You also have more power as a shareholder.

If you really want them to change their tune, you'll buy stock in their company and attend their stockholder meetings, and use your power of the vote to make them change.

Until then, it's just more noise from Charlie Brown's teacher.

He obviously meant using the women's room...

But you be you...

You win best post of the day! :bigbow:

Oh, I used to have my pic in my profile...

It's just that my dog is much cuter than I am...

And who says you're not a bigot?


P.S. YOU'RE opinion doesn't count...

Given the extremely small percentage of the total population I do not view the participating companies as "marketing" anything.
They are promoting a specific attribute of the special interest group to the masses.

Therein lies the core problem.....pandering to the special interest groups ignoring/trampling the rights of the majority.

The "whataboutism" is strong in this one...

So how would you feel if a woman with a significant physical advantage over other women, due to being born (a physically amazing gene pool) as a woman, wanted to compete with other women?

Or hm - a woman with prodigial hand-eye coordination, that most golfers lack, competing in womens' golf against other women who don't have that prodigial hand-eye coordination?

Should Tiger Woods have been rejected from pro-golf because he has a significant biological advantage over other golfers (golf is both a physical and mental sport, and he mastered it from both ends, something others COULD NOT DO)?

How about [insert name] the pro-football running back who can do whatever the heck he does better than any other football player due to his physicality? Should he be disqualified so that lesser men can have a chance at winning?

A woman with naturally broad-shouldered frame and narrow hips will have a much higher shot at being a championship swimmer than a woman with narrow shoulders and wider hips. Should that broad-shouldered woman not be permitted to compete?

People are both however they're born, and their physicality doesn't prevent them from competing. In fact, often it's their physicality that allows them to win. Do we tell those with superior physicality that they're no longer allowed to compete because it's not fair to those with less superior physicality? No, no we don't. In fact, we applaud it, and pay them the winning prize for it.

UNTIL you start talking about something that you don't understand or fear. Then it's a bad thing. Physical traits becomes taboo, no longer permitted. THIS physical trait will ruin the game, it gives everyone else an unfair advantage.

Maybe they should just check testosterone levels. If your levels are on par with the levels of the rest of the people on your team, then you can play. If they're not, you can't. No matter what your DNA says you are. A man with super-low testosterone levels as a result of genetic mutation, should be able to compete on the womens' team. In fact, change the names. No more womens' teams and no more mens' teams. Make it Hi-T and Low-T.

You want it to be fair, then go down that road instead. The presence or absence of a ***** or vagina doesn't mean diddly, except in the case of reproduction and whether or not it's easy to pee standing up.

Didn't someone post earlier about so much hate on this forum?

Some also have prejudices.

I think I just sensed the thread taking a lateral arabesque!!!!!!!

To a great extent Professional sport salaries are a refections of the amount of money that it brings into the owners and the organization that runs them. Women sports are just not not viewed or produce near the same revenue that men sports do. Example, there are no professional football teams and their basketball teams suffer from revemue short falls. I guess you could put this inder natural selection, not because of prejudice.

People talk sports all the time. This post is actually about fairness in sports. Many of the folks, myself included, have stated that they really don't care if people want to surgically alter their appearance. The concern comes when a surgically altered male now identified as trans-female should be allowed to compete against natural females. Many of us feel that is simply unfair. Some do not wish to support businesses that support what they disapprove of, which is their right.
The controversy is really that simple.

This thread is so stupid.

When the Russian athlete who lost to Bruce Jenner in the Olympic's decathalon was informed that Mr. Jenner had become Caitlyn Jenner, his comment was so spot on that I just smiled and nodded. He said, "Oh...so I lost to a woman!" as in who the heck cares. If you all want to get your knickers in a bunch because of someone living their life as they like (i.e. its called freedom), then get your knickers in a knot. But, please don't try to convince me that your small mindedness is something we should all share. Adopt the Russian athlete's motto, Who the heck cares!

WHAT???
First you sound like TransFan defender of transgenders. Then you "bless" someone with a transgender grandchild, like transgender is a horrible curse.
What do you reeeaaallly think, down deep in your deepest emotions? Don't tell us, that is your private domain.

If a woman works her tail off to get an athletic scholarship and than along comes a male who decides to be a female and gets her scholarship is that ok with you?

If it was your daughter would you say who cares? I do not think so.

Silly me thought we were talking about differences between males and females. So now you want to complicate it by talking about some males are stronger than other males and vice versa?

The Russian was fanning away an insult. Jenner was not a woman. The Russian knows it, the world knows it and I bet you know it too.

Pun intended?

GOOD FOR YOU!!! If we as consumers don't stand up to this woke nonsense, more and more companies will keep doing this.

I'm absolutely fine with that. But that's not the discussion at hand, now is it?

Another red herring...

More red herrings...

We're not talking about MEN competing with other MEN...

Continued illogical examples do nothing to help your argument...

And the foolishness continues...

No one said anything of the sort. Except you, of course...

Yes, YOU don't seem to understand the PHYSIOLOGICAL differences between biological men and women.

Me, otoh? I've studied kinesiology, and I DO understand those innate differences...

More foolishness. NATURAL levels? By all means, compete...

You can keep repeating your silly comparisons. It doesn't make them any more correct...

I find it sad that you don't care enough about women to keep their sports fair to women...

If you think this is fine, you're a lost cause...

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So if you had a daughter, would it be okay if she had to compete against men? Adidas is promoting men who are transgenders competing against women. That ain't right!

If you don't care about it, then you likely have no real daughters.

Not that it matters to the discussion, but in many cases, there is NO surgical alteration... Lia Thomas has not had any surgery...

Ranked 460 something as a male swimmer just over a year ago... Now ranked #1 as a woman... Sure...Let's go with that...

Hope all that support this have a daughter/granddaughter who loses out on a scholarship or place on the Olympic team because of this... (See how that works both ways?)

Wow…..idiotic response.

Once again (for the umpteenth time)...

The vast majority don't care how someone chooses to live their life. This thread is NOT about that...

This discussion is about fairness in WOMEN'S sports...


P.S. Can you please cite this "quote" from Nikolai Avilov? Not that I don't believe it, but I don't believe it...

Go barefoot... Adidas nor Nike will miss the closeminded, and ignorant. You're the minority... Bye!

I’m sure that sports with the help of science will come to some type of rules over this issue , but I suspect for many here this isn’t so much about transgender athletes as it is about transgender people themselves, who just like the rest of us are just trying to be happy with who we are. As far as boycotting Adidas and Nike I suspect that like the NFL boycott most that complained weren’t watching anyway, the same applies to these companies , or like many guys who were boycotting the NFL only to blurt out during a conversation about some play lol, just like some saying they have thrown out there gear on this posting while wearing there Nike sneakers . Me I’ll still be wearing my Nike sneakers while watching the NFL next year and still believing we are all whatever God you worship his children

Maybe, but when we aren't free it'll be too late to act as the Canadiens and Australians found out.

Your whole argument has nothing to do with the original point on the conversation. If people who care about women’s rights can’t admit to the fact that grown biological male athletes have a distinct physical advantage over female athletes, then that’s either ignorance or wokeism that would rather ignore facts because it messes up their argument.

Perfectly stated.

Shouldn’t that last sentence end with a question mark and not the exclamation point? Or did you think you were making a statement but it turned into a question by using the first word “don’t”?

Either way, people need to think about what they’re replying to before they write something that totally doesn’t make sense and then hit that send key. They probably won’t sound like a dufus next time.

I have my beliefs and you have yours - leave it at that, sport.

Can't debate? Insult...

Good for you.

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A very talented and capable, born female, swimmer that has trained all her life for competition shouldn't care that a, born male swimmer, who "thinks he is female" beats her??? Her loss just might jeopardize a scholarship or a place on the Olympic team and possibly paid endorsements for products.

How would you feel as the parent of this woman after you spent years taking her to events, practice and spent money so she could compete and possibly win recognition for her accomplishments? Are you going to tell her "suck it up buttercup", forget all the effort and sacrifice you put into the sport, you got beat by the better man?

It is (follow the science) a fact that the male body is physically much more capable than a female body. It was quite evident to me during my 20 years in the Army that females could not perform physically at the same levels as male soldiers.
There is no fairness for natural women when they have to compete against men who claim they are a woman.

Who really cares what a Russian athlete has to say????? Now if he has a halo and walks on water while turning water to wine, I probably will give him all my attention.

Didn’t know that about Adidas, thanks for that information! Thanks to our legal system & society. I never wore a Nike shoe only because Colin Kaepernick is there non American kneeling flag & military hater. Can’t believe we allow Nike into our country. As a matter of fact anything China made & yea I know 90% of everything we buy is made in China. Maybe that’s why China is way ahead of the U.S.

Ohiobuckeye
 

Measage just right now.