Non-ethanol gas? Worth the upcharge?

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Old 11-15-2014, 07:33 AM
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IMO Off road vehicles get poor gas mileage regardless which gas you use, if you want more power you use higher octane product (good example would be TAFC VS TF. Golf cart with single cylinder engine should get a lot more MPG (at least Double what they are getting?) due less weight when compared to car. My car get 27 to 29 MPH around the villages and 34 to 38 on the road. So I am not surprised Regardless which gas you use in your golf cart that the MPG hasn't changed. WHY, they are not fuel efficient. IMO living in the south ethanol make little difference due to the mild temperature changes. Additive cheap insurance (and we know insurance waste of money 99.9% of the time, but we still buy it just in case), I prefer sea foam marine additive if I think I need it.
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Any automotive person wort there salt will tell you that the up-charge is not worth it. The golf cart engines are designed to run on 87 octane fuel. What the ethanol attacks is the fuel lines,pumps and any rubber item. Not the engine. The marine additive is nice but not necessary. Fuel lines can be changed at the house for about $15.00 in 10 years, are we Ok with this!!!!!!!
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Any automotive person wort there salt will tell you that the up-charge is not worth it. The golf cart engines are designed to run on 87 octane fuel. What the ethanol attacks is the fuel lines,pumps and any rubber item. Not the engine. The marine additive is nice but not necessary. Fuel lines can be changed at the house for about $15.00 in 10 years, are we Ok with this!!!!!!!
You have apples and oranges. Automobiles and golf carts are not the same beast.

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Old 11-17-2014, 04:28 PM
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We have a friend up north that uses non- ethanol in his motorcycle. He also services our lawn mower(s) and said it would probably be wise to use such. If I can get non-ethanol for my golf cart (small engine) at Circle K, I will pay the extra.
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Any automotive person wort there salt will tell you that the up-charge is not worth it. The golf cart engines are designed to run on 87 octane fuel. What the ethanol attacks is the fuel lines,pumps and any rubber item. Not the engine. The marine additive is nice but not necessary. Fuel lines can be changed at the house for about $15.00 in 10 years, are we Ok with this!!!!!!!
Ethanol actually lowers the octane, the extra cost is worth it if you can get it, pay now or pay later. Phase-separation will sooner or later damage the engine.

Gasoline Octane and E10 Ethanol Blend Fuels

PURE ethanol has a very high octane, about 114, but many mistakenly believe that E10 conventional gas sold has "extra octane" then stated at gas pump.
Regarding octane and E10 gas, buying sub-octane gas is more common, then "extra" octane.
Since ethanol is considered an octane enhancing additive, if/when E10 sold has less than exactly 10%, the result will be sub-octane gas (less than number stated at the pump), AND,
When E10 gas phase-separates (high octane ethanol drops to the bottom of the tank with water), the upper tank layer octane typically drops 2.5 points. E.G. 87 octane gas purchased now becomes sub-octane 84.5 gasoline. E10 gas is available in all grades, including regular-87, premium-91, racing-014, etc.
Testing a fuel sample from tank bottom for alcohol percent will confirm gas contaminated with water, and is not safe for use.

After phase-separation upper tank layer typically drops from 10% ethanol to 0-2%, and lower tank layer typically test 60-95 percent alcohol (can/will damage engine).

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Not worth the upcharge.

Ethanol and biodiesels have a cleaning effect on the engine. They also soak up water. It will only gum up an engine if gas has gotten real skanky by sitting idle - because it's cleaning the junk out. That's also why you always hear people say ethanol gummed up "my OLD truck." It cleaned the engine. I'm sure old seals can be dissolved by it . . . but I'd be shocked if manufacturers didn't switch to seals that accommodate ethanol ten years ago.

It's best to use the 87 the manufacturer recommends . . . and to settle on one type of gas and use it all the time.

Today's golf carts are built to run on gas with ethanol - so any perceived benefit of non-ethanol gas is not worth the upcharge.
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I switched to leaded gas on my Yamaha gas cart and it runs smoother like it was fuel injected. Single cylinders need a lot of lubrication and the lead makes a big difference. Sure it costs more, but when you feel how smooth it runs, you will understand.
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Where are you buying leaded gasoline?

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I switched to leaded gas on my Yamaha gas cart and it runs smoother like it was fuel injected. Single cylinders need a lot of lubrication and the lead makes a big difference. Sure it costs more, but when you feel how smooth it runs, you will understand.
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The salesman who said add STABUL, doesn't know what he is talking about-You only need STABIL, when you won't be using any gasoline engine without a sealed fuel system for a prolonged period of time. STABIL was used when winterizing marine fuel tanks on the old carburetor engines.
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I switched to leaded gas on my Yamaha gas cart and it runs smoother like it was fuel injected. Single cylinders need a lot of lubrication and the lead makes a big difference. Sure it costs more, but when you feel how smooth it runs, you will understand.
Leaded gas hasn't been sold for decades. I believe you are confusing it with non ethanol.
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Just my 2 cents. I have been using regular gas for 6 years now and have no problems whatsoever. I think u will be throwing money away using the other gas.
I agree 100%. Why throw away your money? Most of us worked long and hard for any money we saved for retirement.
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I switched to leaded gas on my Yamaha gas cart and it runs smoother like it was fuel injected. Single cylinders need a lot of lubrication and the lead makes a big difference. Sure it costs more, but when you feel how smooth it runs, you will understand.
Its not leaded but it is non ethanol. Big diff!
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Talked to a small engine tech of 20+ years. He says the high octane fuels will eventually rob power from the engine. I guess since not all the fuel is burned completely that it leaves carbon deposits in the engine. He says regular fuel is what you should only use and use non-ethanol. He then went on to say that stabil is not necessary in non-ethanol fuel but to use a good fuel cleaner like techtron a couple of times a year.
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Use Mobile1 and then do it once a year, this will save you some bucks and time.
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