[Steve]

Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os

There is that little red button that easily opens the gates. The fact that there is concern about the cards seems a bit silly to me. I have a chip in my mirror and won’t be thrilled if it stops working. Seems to me that a sticker with an individual bar code on the side window would be a good way to open the gate without need to open the window. Just my humble opinion. As far as storing our information, I have nothing to hide. What’s the big deal?

About the sticker: What happens when you get a new vehicle? Wanna bet there's a charge for new stickers? With the card you get rid of the car but keep the card. And, as stated earlier, why even have a card? Automatic gates in just like automatic gates out solves the "problem".

[BOB396]

If it is for traffic control, wouldn't speed bumps work just as well as gates?

[airstreamingypsy]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

The response seemed logical and reasonable to me.

As far as duplicates - What prevents a resident from giving a duplicate to friends in other communities? I can understand the districts stand on duplicates.

Why would that matter? Their friends in other communities can push the red button and get in, their friends in other communities pay taxes to maintain the roads. Since they do maintain the roads they should be given gate cards.

[wisbad1]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

I'm sure those that have these "gate card" illegally (landscapers, etc..) will also be upset.

Now they have to push a button. Big deal!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Steve

I think the question is "What's the point of it all?" If it's just traffic control make the entrance gates like the exit gates--automatic.

See post #25

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by BOB396

If it is for traffic control, wouldn't speed bumps work just as well as gates?

No. Speed bumps do not create gaps in traffic that allow carts, bikes, and pedestrians to safely cross.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by BOB396

If it is for traffic control, wouldn't speed bumps work just as well as gates?

NO! There are already drivers who don't see the gates and knock them down-----how much harder is it for those drivers to see a speed bump?

[Sealvi]

Original or duplicate, cards don’t matter. Someone just needs to push the big red button. Or do what I have noticed a lot of “residents” doing lately at the manned gates. Drive up to the guest lane, the “guard” hits he/his magic button and the gate opens. The “guard” doesn’t even get out of their chair. The car in that lane cuts around the cars waiting to use their cards.

This system should have a scanner that reads a tag on the bumper or window of your vehicle. Putting a card to a scanner is, as someone said, archaic.

[Sandy and Ed]

….as a volunteer in an over 55 “gated for traffic control only” community in Langhorne PA, I controlled, ordered and issued the same cards we use here now for a similar system. There was a finite quantity of sequentially numbered cards that can be controlled in that system. After I left my role the HOA management purchased another (RFID reader) system that allowed access thru a decal stuck on the windshield. Easy peasy and much more flexible to different needs of access. Approved vendors had their own access to specific gates, etc. Good system and if the powers to be want a reference I could probably put them in contact with the HOA for a review

I have no dog in this argument but for the sake of clarity: I have one of those side mirror openers (nothing more than the metal strip from inside an old delaminated white card.(??)). I love it and glad I bought it. I’ll be out $40 but will have the same convenience. So from my perspective…..no harm no foul. Looking forward to the change

[Ecuadog]

Originally Posted by Altavia

If traffic control was the only objective, the entry gates could be configured to operate the same as exit gates. As they sometimes do during construction.

Originally Posted by Ecuadog

Bingo.

Originally Posted by blueash

Not bingo unless you like bango. When exiting you can see any carts or pedestrians crossing the road with no obstructions. BUT, big BUT, when entering, the view of the crossing is blocked by the gate mechanism, plantings, and often a gate booth. So when you come in through the gates you cannot safely proceed coasting thru, and the crossing carts and walkers can not see you coming. So entry must be slowed/stopped much more intently than exiting.

Then take all that stuff out and install some big-honkin' speed bumps.

[billethkid]

System is fine as is for what it does/doesn't do.
Non residents don't need anything but push a button.

Everybody that wants new/better/no roll down windows......are you prepared to pay your share to get all the new "stuff"?

Capacity increase if and where needed should pay for itself (increased resident revenues).

This whole discussion comes across as a pre-sell trial balloon.

Some bureaucrats pet play is the most likely answer.$$$$$$$

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[jjombrello]

A little over the top in my opinion. I thought the response was complete and simple to understand. Upgrade the software, maintain use of current cards, explore improved ways to operate gates in the future. Pretty logic approach and hardly worth getting one's shorts in a knot over.

[Bill14564]

Public notice of the new system:
Everyone with an interest in something like this should subscribe to the notifications for upcoming meetings, at least for their CDD, either AAC or PWAC, and their utility (usually NSCUDD). Then when you receive the notification with a link to the Agenda, read it. That is how I learned which meeting to attend to hear this new system being discussed.

Cloned cards:
I don't have any sympathy for those that have tried to get around the system that exists. The new system will work within the parameters set for the old system. If you decided to work outside those parameters, good luck.

Cloned cards (2):
I also don't understand the concern that the cloned cards won't work. The readers are not being replaced, only the software behind them. The readers can only read what the cards provide. If the cloning system accurately read the original then the clone should provide the same information to the reader. We'll have to wait and see but it doesn't seem like this should be a problem.

Data collection:
If I was worried about my card being recorded then I could simply press the red button. I certainly wouldn't rely on a cloned card to prevent data collection. The only reason I can think of why someone who creates cloned cards should be concerned is if he is using a "master" copy of a card rather than cloning each customer's individual card. If the system starts noticing one card activating hundreds of gates each day with multiple gates being opened at exactly the same time then the system should rightly flag that as a problem.

New readers:
A barcode reader or license plate reader or facial recognition or pick your favorite would all require new readers at the gates, a new software package on the back end, and possibly new wiring. I read that the there are over 120 gate facilities, but that number might be low, I thought the new number was around 175 but I can't find that page again. With over 120 facilities that's over 240 new readers that would need to be purchased plus the labor to replace them plus the downtime while everything is switched over plus the expense for the new cards/codes/plates/whatever plus the inconvenience of bringing over 70,000 people in to get their new cards! No thank you, I would rather roll my window down.


Chances are that the new system will be up and running before anyone notices.

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by Captainpd

I could never understand the use of the gates. ABSOLUTELY ANY CAN COME INTO THE VILLAGES. If the sole purpose is to slow traffic, use the same system for leaving the Villages.

Wrong! . . . . READ POST #19, . . . . Not ALL GATES entering the Village property have that little red button.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

Wrong! . . . . READ POST #19, . . . . Not ALL GATES entering the Village property have that little red button.

OK, all but ONE gate in the Villages has that little red button. (and there is a good reason the one is lacking it)