[Altavia]

The single lane entry gates can be interesting at times when someone does not know about the red button, or can't reach it, or can't back up to reach the button.

Traffic backs up until somebody notices and helps.

[fcgiii]

[QUOTE=TSO/ISPF;2145845]I use the little red button when driving the cart because we have 2 gate cards for our cars. /QUOTE]

Why are you driving your cart on the street when the cart path does not need a card not gave a button?

[sowtime444]

The Villages could use HID U90 readers at all gates, and give everyone a UHF card. UHF cards have a read range of 5 meters and are powered by the reader so the cards don't need batteries (like the old school windshield cards did). The U90 reader came out in 2014 so some gates might already have it, but they are probably handing out 125kHz technology cards to everyone because not all gates have the U90. As long as they keep using 125kHz PROX technology, your card cloning business is safe.

Someday they could spend the money to put your credential digitally on your phone and have that work over Bluetooth at a long distance away (they could tune this to optimize activation distance).

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by sowtime444

The Villages could use HID U90 readers at all gates, and give everyone a UHF card. UHF cards have a read range of 5 meters and are powered by the reader so the cards don't need batteries (like the old school windshield cards did). The U90 reader came out in 2014 so some gates might already have it, but they are probably handing out 125kHz technology cards to everyone because not all gates have the U90. As long as they keep using 125kHz PROX technology, your card cloning business is safe.

Someday they could spend the money to put your credential digitally on your phone and have that work over Bluetooth at a long distance away (they could tune this to optimize activation distance).

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Current system works!

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[Miekies]

So your mad that you bought an aftermarket card that's not authorized by the Villages and it will be rendered ineffective and you now will have to push a button to roll down your window and again push a button to roll up. It must be hard to deal with this massive inconvenience. Not sure why you think you are entitled to something when technically you bought an illegal device that was not village issued but after market.

It's like purchasing a broken into firestick and firestick fixes the code to prevent it from being used that way and you go after firestick for changing the product you bought hacked because you liked it though that's not the intended purpose .

[Sgt Ed]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

The response seemed logical and reasonable to me.

As far as duplicates - What prevents a resident from giving a duplicate to friends in other communities? I can understand the districts stand on duplicates.

I can tell you one thing; they need to change the way the gate arms are actuated. Having to lower and raise the window is ludicrous. All that does is wear out the window regulators and to replace is expensive, no matter what brand of vehicle you drive. Then again nothing like getting all wet in the rain. If the reason is to slow down traffic for safety, then put up a system like is already in place for exiting.

[Bertram00]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

someone is screwing with his $$$$ plain and simple

Give this man a cheroot - he hit it right on the nose.

[PJackpot]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

Personally I am perfectly AOK with the current system. When we were considering TV 10+ years ago we pressed the red button to get in. Now for 8 years as residents the card works. Sometime not thru our car window. Big deal.

Some folks love to B&M about anything or paste 1,000 words postings. I have better things to do and skip verbose stuff here.

Bottom line IMO it works just fine. Can it be upgraded? Maybe. At what cost and benefit.

So my bottom line leave it as is.

One of the reasons for upgrading would be lack of support for older software. Try getting support on windows 2000 and see where it gets you.

[PJackpot]

Originally Posted by jjombrello

A little over the top in my opinion. I thought the response was complete and simple to understand. Upgrade the software, maintain use of current cards, explore improved ways to operate gates in the future. Pretty logic approach and hardly worth getting one's shorts in a knot over.

Agreed.

[juddfl]

I agree about the sticker on the side window. A friend in a club that I belong to here in TV has had to get her drivers side window repaired twice. The first place she lived used a card for access and it burned out from opening and closing the window. Then she moved to The Villages and it happened again. Her work has her going from home to home in the villages so she is constantly opening and closing her drivers window to enter a village. She was told by 2 different mechanics that it just burns out from opening and closing the window multiple times each day. This is expensive to repair. The little red button still won't solve her problem as she would still have to open her window.

[twoplanekid]

I don’t sell cloned gate cards. Having used a cloned gate card and then firmly believing it’s a better system than using the old card, I gave cards out for free to friends and fellow Villages so that they could also enjoy using them. Those that have never used one should be careful to challenge those that have done so. Before giving the cards out for free, I specifically asked District staff if it was against the law to do so. It’s not against the law to clone these cards!

I read the NSCUDD agenda and sometimes the District 10 agenda. But, I hardly ever read the agenda for the other 16 CDDs and don’t believe how it was worded in the agenda that I would perceive this change was going to prevent the better cloned cards to not work.

Now, I have to go from a better gate card system to one that in my opinion is poor after having used both. I have asked District staff to let both sellers and Villagers know that the cloned cards will stop working sometime in the future.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bertram00

Give this man a cheroot - he hit it right on the nose.

Actually, he missed it by a mile. If you knew the OP you would be retracting that post and apologizing

[chicksinger]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I don't understand the angst over duplicate cards. What difference does it make? The red button allows anyone to access any village with no need for a card! I think a bureaucrat somewhere is bored or trying to justify their existence. Sometimes I believe I'm actually living in the movie "Idiocracy".

I agree!

[chicksinger]

In this day and age, it would make much more sense, since we are NOT a gated community and ANYONE with a finger that can push a button can get in....why not eliminate the costly plastic waste and clones and just give the residents a window sticker. It's 2022 and TV is acting like it's the turn of the century. That's how you can cut costs and knock off all the unnecessary rhetoric about creating new ones! If it's good enough for the military bases to have stickers on the cars, it's good enough here.

[TrapX]

I managed prox card access systems and they use old technology. It's a very simple system. The reader sends out a signal continuously, your card (or cloned card) gets powered up by that signal and transmits a very long number to reply. The reader checks that number to see if it is in the list of known good numbers, and open the gate if it is.
A cloned card reply is the exact same number as the original card it copied. If it was your card, the clone transmits your card number. It is not possible for the reader to tell the difference. If TV is not replacing cards, then every clone will continue to work.
Cloned cards (for a resident) has zero impact on the system. If they need the gate arm to open, it is still just one transaction to the system.
Cloned cards to non-residents is also not any additional impact to the system. One transaction - either the clone, or the button. Pay attention to what is being sold to us. Ask yourself why would those we trust be saying misleading things?

There are encrypted cards available. Much harder to clone. Also cost a lot more. I bought cards for about $0.10 in bulk, same ones as TV uses. Encrypted cards were about $5 last time I looked, and the readers were more expensive too. It would be over a million dollars more to change to encrypted cards. And the red buttons are still there because they are county owned roads.

Every swipe is logged - date, time, card number. Nothing prevents saving that data forever. Disk drives are cheap.

Wondering what the replacement controllers will cost us. Plus the labor to install. Annual costs too. The ongoing labor to maintain all those new cards and delete old cards from service. The ongoing cost for the computers and making backups. The ongoing cost for dedicated ethernet lines to every gate.
It will add up. My guess is $350k now, and over $1million yearly. I'm thinking this is money that isn't needing to be spent.

Make the entry gates work like the exit gates. That solution saves money now and in the future. Still slows traffic. Still looks like we are a gated place (for whatever that does).