[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by JeanC

Or……did you know the card works without even rolling your window down!!! Just pull up close enough and bam.

Did you know that doing that doesn't always work? Neither of our cards will cause the gat to open when held up to the window, regardless of how close we get to the card reader...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by bowlingal

FYI.....the cards work right through the closed window. No need to have it installed on your mirror. Try it!!

I did... It doesn't...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BOB396

If it is for traffic control, wouldn't speed bumps work just as well as gates?

Nope... Speed bumps require that that you only slow down a bit, not stop...

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

OK, all but ONE gate in the Villages has that little red button. (and there is a good reason the one is lacking it)

I'm one of those that KNOW why that NO BUTTON gate is needed. Others come on here not knowing such a thing exist, but willing to comment on something they have no clue at...

[Garywt]

I guess I don’t understand why so many people don’t have the ability to open their window.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Garywt

I guess I don’t understand why so many people don’t have the ability to open their window.

The same reason people drive BMW & Mercedes .... because they can and they like the conveniences or the luxury. Nothing to do with "ability" but just because it's easy and convenient to avoid it.

[pablo cruze]

I was thinking of getting the clones for my cars, but will research first. It would be better if the RFID could be powered like a garage door opener, so I could push a button in my car/cart/bike (app on a phone??) while approaching the reader. Then I could proceed faster through the restriction.

Short of this, I'll need to accept that these bottlenecks are doing their job to restrict the bad drivers from being their baddest.

[EdFNJ]

I fully understand the need for the gates to slow traffic etc but why are card readers and cards even needed? Just have the gates open and close just as the exit gates do or as they do now when a car approaches. It will serve the exact same purpose and any specific raise/lower time delay can be set in it to slow down traffic when a car approaches.

[Ecuadog]

Originally Posted by Garywt

I guess I don’t understand why so many people don’t have the ability to open their window.

Because they're broken from having to open and close them so often.

[asianthree]

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Originally Posted by TSO/ISPF

I use the little red button when driving the cart because we have 2 gate cards for our cars. /QUOTE]

Why are you driving your cart on the street when the cart path does not need a card not gave a button?

Either you Don’t live here or have never traveled outside of your neighborhood
You do realize many many miles of cart lanes use streets, therefore one must press the red button to raise the gate.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I don’t see what the issue is, I am in favor of no duplication of the gate cards issued to residents. Duplicates allow non villagers to enter through the MMP gate in the historic section. Duplicates allow non residents, who don’t pay for the MMP’s, to have easier access to gate passes they have no right to. The particular gate referred to has no red button and is only opened with a gate card, as it should be. We keep one of each of our gate cards hidden in our golf carts specially so we can pass through this gate. We never use a gate card in our car, no need, just hit the red button.

I prefer not to use the red button because I don't open my car window to open the gate. I just hold the card close to the closed window and the gate opens.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by TrapX

I managed prox card access systems and they use old technology. It's a very simple system. The reader sends out a signal continuously, your card (or cloned card) gets powered up by that signal and transmits a very long number to reply. The reader checks that number to see if it is in the list of known good numbers, and open the gate if it is.
A cloned card reply is the exact same number as the original card it copied. If it was your card, the clone transmits your card number. It is not possible for the reader to tell the difference. If TV is not replacing cards, then every clone will continue to work.
Cloned cards (for a resident) has zero impact on the system. If they need the gate arm to open, it is still just one transaction to the system.
Cloned cards to non-residents is also not any additional impact to the system. One transaction - either the clone, or the button. Pay attention to what is being sold to us. Ask yourself why would those we trust be saying misleading things?

There are encrypted cards available. Much harder to clone. Also cost a lot more. I bought cards for about $0.10 in bulk, same ones as TV uses. Encrypted cards were about $5 last time I looked, and the readers were more expensive too. It would be over a million dollars more to change to encrypted cards. And the red buttons are still there because they are county owned roads.

Every swipe is logged - date, time, card number. Nothing prevents saving that data forever. Disk drives are cheap.

Wondering what the replacement controllers will cost us. Plus the labor to install. Annual costs too. The ongoing labor to maintain all those new cards and delete old cards from service. The ongoing cost for the computers and making backups. The ongoing cost for dedicated ethernet lines to every gate.
It will add up. My guess is $350k now, and over $1million yearly. I'm thinking this is money that isn't needing to be spent.

Make the entry gates work like the exit gates. That solution saves money now and in the future. Still slows traffic. Still looks like we are a gated place (for whatever that does).

You won me over. Logical. Has my vote. Makes sense. Get rid of the cards and readers and let the entry gates work same as exit gates. Where there are two entry gates make them have a staggered opening for a “zippered” entry effect.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

The exit gates don't close between cars.

Someone up-thread referred to that as "tailgating". I don't think so. I see plenty of cars exiting through the gates in a line of cars and the gates do not come down between cars. It's like there is no gate. I'm one of those who "tailgates" behind the car in front of me and does not let the gate come down as I exit. I would much prefer the exit gates be removed completely and let the golf carts wait until it is clear to proceed.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Priebehouse

I guess residents have an aversion to rolling down their window and using their access card. Really a strenuous task for sure. I have always been a proponent of using the cards. Perhaps they want to track how often actual residents use the gates. Perhaps they want to prevent "Mirror Clone" card users from approaching the gate terminals too closely or too fast just and potentially damage the equipment because they think it activated and crash through the arm (I have witnessed this three times). I think they should give some type of bonus for residents that use their valid cards for the amount of times they use it instead of pushing the button. Upgrading the technology is a good thing.

I'm one of those who does have an aversion to opening my window. Why let the hot air into the car? Why let the rain wet the interior of my car door? Nope, not for me. I like that I can open the gate just by holding my card to the window. Works every time without opening the window.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by Steve

About the sticker: What happens when you get a new vehicle? Wanna bet there's a charge for new stickers? With the card you get rid of the car but keep the card. And, as stated earlier, why even have a card? Automatic gates in just like automatic gates out solves the "problem".

Don’t put the sticker on the window. Put it on a small piece of clear plastic that you can move from auto to golf cart, etc.