[Djean1981]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

hustle (verb) · hustles (third person present) · hustled (past tense) · hustled (past participle) · hustling (present participle)
force (someone) to move hurriedly or unceremoniously in a specified direction:
"they hustled him into the back of a horse-drawn wagon"
push roughly; jostle:
"they were hissed and hustled as they went in"
SIMILAR:
jostle
push
push roughly
bump
knock
shove

hurry; bustle:
"he had to retag second base and hustle back to first"
SIMILAR:
manhandle
push
shove
thrust
frogmarch
bulldoze

INFORMAL
NORTH AMERICAN
obtain by forceful action or persuasion:
"the brothers headed to New York to try and hustle a record deal"
(HUSTLE SOMEONE INTO)
coerce or pressure someone into doing or choosing something:
"don't be hustled into anything"
SIMILAR:
coerce
force
compel
pressure
pressurize
badger

sell aggressively:
"he hustled his company's oil around the country"
obtain by illicit action; swindle; cheat:
"Linda hustled money from men she met"
NORTH AMERICAN
INFORMAL
engage in prostitution.

Aha---different definitions. At least no one was referring to the very last one

We agree that hustle can mean many things. Therefore.. opinion.

[JKELLYNY]

Why blame landscapers? All anyone has to do is push the button to open gates in our.”make believe” gated community.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Have you ever been behind some of these people, while they are holding there cards up against the car window ? I’m usually never in a hurry but it’s almost comical sometimes seeing them move it around , finally giving up and opening the window,which for some stretching out there arm to open the gate is probably the only exercise they’ll get all day.

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by txfan

Now eight pages of comments about one person’s side hustle being threatened. He isn’t “giving out” mirror-activated devices. He’s selling them.


I heard a rumor from Bruce that the gate card system in the Villages is going to change. Be forewarned that I have been giving out and using the devices that are placed in car mirrors to activate the gates for over a year.

Please read my post # 1 and post #86 which I will repeat again for all to read->

I don’t sell cloned gate cards. Having used a cloned gate card and then firmly believing it’s a better system than using the old card, I gave cards out for free to friends and fellow Villages so that they could also enjoy using them. Those that have never used one should be careful to challenge those that have done so. Before giving the cards out for free, I specifically asked District staff if it was against the law to do so. It’s not against the law to clone these cards!

I read the NSCUDD agenda and sometimes the District 10 agenda. But, I hardly ever read the agenda for the other 16 CDDs and don’t believe how it was worded in the agenda that I would perceive this change was going to prevent the better cloned cards to not work.

Now, I have to go from a better gate card system to one that in my opinion is poor after having used both. I have asked District staff to let both sellers and Villagers know that the cloned cards will stop working sometime in the future.

Rick Rademacher

[billethkid]

Way too many folks here, have no idea how a real gated community functions.

The Villages is not a gated community.....not even close!

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[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Please read my post # 86 which I will repeat again for all to read->

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I read the NSCUDD agenda and sometimes the District 10 agenda. But, I hardly ever read the agenda for the other 16 CDDs and don’t believe how it was worded in the agenda that I would perceive this change was going to prevent the better cloned cards to not work.

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Rick Rademacher

I read the agenda, attended the meeting, read the documents, and listened to the presentation. The new system uses the existing cards and the existing readers. I heard nothing about clone cards being disabled (this was in my post #73 which I will not repeat). What did you read or hear that implies clone cards will stop working?

[dadspet]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I appreciate your post to attempt to explain a new gate card system. But, to me, it read as mostly gobblygook. Can you condense it down to something people can understand?

I agree!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by patfla06

In Tampa many gated communities had a sticker on the side window with a bar code to enter your neighborhood.
The good part was you didn’t have to open your window.
Why couldn’t we have this instead of the card?

Because those are gate-restricted communities. The Villages is not.

Our roads are public roads. Anyone has legal access to them (with VERY few exceptions such as that Hickory Hammock area near Spanish Springs). The gates - are property of the Villages. The roads that those gates cross are taxpayer-owned roads.

You don't have the /right/ to duplicate those cards or card codes and bypass the system to give non-residents entry. You don't have to like that rule, but that's the rule. Y'all are such sticklers about the deed restrictions and how no one in your neighborhood should break any rules, and then they'll have nothing to complain about.

Well - this is a rule. If you aren't breaking it, then you have nothing to complain about. You knew about the gate cards when you bought your property. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have moved here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by txfan

Now eight pages of comments about one person’s side hustle being threatened. He isn’t “giving out” mirror-activated devices. He’s selling them.


I heard a rumor from Bruce that the gate card system in the Villages is going to change. Be forewarned that I have been giving out and using the devices that are placed in car mirrors to activate the gates for over a year.

He's not selling them. He's giving them away. He's basically helping non-residents circumvent the system that our community fees (amenity fees, assessments, I have no idea which but it's Villager homeowners who pay for it, not non-Villagers via taxes) pay for.

He doesn't have to like it. And he's not "breaking the law." But he is breaking the rules (which is not the same as breaking the law). Seems hypocritical to me, that people who pounce on anyone who violates deed restrictions in a deed restricted community, would have no problem violating the rules in a community governed with rules.

[bob47]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

I fully understand the need for the gates to slow traffic etc but why are card readers and cards even needed? Just have the gates open and close just as the exit gates do or as they do now when a car approaches. It will serve the exact same purpose and any specific raise/lower time delay can be set in it to slow down traffic when a car approaches.

This question, this VERY GOOD question, has been asked several times on this forum. None of the local "experts" has offered an explanation of what's wrong with this idea. Probably because it's a good idea.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Now, I have to go from a better gate card system to one that in my opinion is poor after having used both. I have asked District staff to let both sellers and Villagers know that the cloned cards will stop working sometime in the future.

Rick Rademacher

Doubtful the motivation is to disable cloned cards. Don't think that is possible without disabling all cards.

I read the intent is to upgrade and prepare the systems for a more state of the art system that no longer requires rolling a window down to activate the gate.

One result of this upgrade would be to use a different; device, barcode, ... to activate the gate. This existing cards would be phased out at some point.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

...

You don't have the /right/ to duplicate those cards or card codes and bypass the system to give non-residents entry. You don't have to like that rule, but that's the rule. Y'all are such sticklers about the deed restrictions and how no one in your neighborhood should break any rules, and then they'll have nothing to complain about.

Well - this is a rule. If you aren't breaking it, then you have nothing to complain about. You knew about the gate cards when you bought your property. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have moved here.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

He's not selling them. He's giving them away. He's basically helping non-residents circumvent the system that our community fees (amenity fees, assessments, I have no idea which but it's Villager homeowners who pay for it, not non-Villagers via taxes) pay for.

He doesn't have to like it. And he's not "breaking the law." But he is breaking the rules (which is not the same as breaking the law). Seems hypocritical to me, that people who pounce on anyone who violates deed restrictions in a deed restricted community, would have no problem violating the rules in a community governed with rules.

Can you point to the rule that you believe is being broken? I looked in my deed restrictions and my CDD10 rules but saw nothing about the gates. Somewhere I read about a cost for card replacement but I don't remember reading anything about cloning cards. Where can I find this rule?

The OP stated he was cloning existing cards. If that is the case then he is not aiding non-residents in any way since they would not have a card to begin with. Plus, the purpose of the cloned cards is simply to avoid rolling down a window, not to provide any additional access. As pointed out many times, the roads are not restricted in any way and anyone, resident or not, can get through the gates simply by pressing the red button.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Doubtful the motivation is to disable cloned cards. Don't think that is possible without disabling all cards.

I read the intent is to upgrade and prepare the systems for a more state of the art system that no longer requires rolling a window down to activate the gate.

One result of this upgrade would be to use a different; device, barcode, ... to activate the gate. This existing cards would be phased out at some point.

The stated intent, as provided in the presentation linked somewhere above, is to overcome a limitation with the current controller and software. The choice was between adding up to three new readers for every gate or replacing the controller board and database.

Perhaps the new controller board will be compatible with a future upgrade to the reader and cards such that the gate could be activated without rolling down a window but that was not the reason cited for this initial work.

[newgirl]

I don't know how this is happening at all since these are all public streets. How they get away with even having gates is amazing.

[billethkid]

The in gates made to work like the out gates is an excellent idea.
Not many comments because it is a good, low cost solution utilizing the existing capability.

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