[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I read the agenda, attended the meeting, read the documents, and listened to the presentation. The new system uses the existing cards and the existing readers. I heard nothing about clone cards being disabled (this was in my post #73 which I will not repeat). What did you read or hear that implies clone cards will stop working?

I sent this to Brittany Wilson _>

Hi Brittany,

I still have these two questions.

To give me a total picture of the costs, what are the total costs? I understand about the cost savings per year.

Do you know if the current cloned gate cards will still work?

Maybe this is much ado about nothing yet could have been avoided if better/more public information had be given out beforehand in my opinion.

I received this reply back from Brittany Wilson ->

ood morning,

The recurring annual cost for gate maintenance is $97,884. The one time cost to upgrade the system software is $270,255. These costs are split proportionately between Village Center, Sumter Landing and Developer owned gates.

The only cards that will work in the new system are those that are active in our current system when they are migrated over.

Thank you,
Brittany

then I sent ->
Hi Brittany,

When will this migration take place? Is it one gate at a time or when all gates has been migrated that the cloned cards will not work?

Rick

received from Brittany -->

Good afternoon,

This project will take approximately 24 weeks, with a six week lead time on equipment. Each gate will be converted one at a time, and we will run the two systems as the work takes place. With that said, both systems will not be operated at the same location at the same time – each gate will be on one system or the other.

my last message and waiting on a reply from staff (Brittany)->

Are you going to let the Villagers that have cloned cards and the people that are selling them know about your stopping their cards from working? And, is there a gate that I can test my cloned card on to make sure it doesn't work?

Now everyone knows as much as I do about this situation. Please note that all of the communication took place in a public domain messaging system maintained by the District.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Can you point to the rule that you believe is being broken? I looked in my deed restrictions and my CDD10 rules but saw nothing about the gates. Somewhere I read about a cost for card replacement but I don't remember reading anything about cloning cards. Where can I find this rule?

The OP stated he was cloning existing cards. If that is the case then he is not aiding non-residents in any way since they would not have a card to begin with. Plus, the purpose of the cloned cards is simply to avoid rolling down a window, not to provide any additional access. As pointed out many times, the roads are not restricted in any way and anyone, resident or not, can get through the gates simply by pressing the red button.

When replacing gate cards, the homeowner should bring all remaining gate cards as they are issued in sets of two. Lost or stolen gate cards will be replaced at a $15.00 charge per card. Homeowners can also purchase additional gate cards for a $15.00 charge. A total of four gate cards can be issued per home. The payment types accepted are Cash, Check, MasterCard, Visa, and Discover.

If the homeowner can not be present to replace a lost card or to purchase an additional card, the homeowner must complete the Gate Card Authorization form and have it notarized. Please click here for the Gate Card Authorization Form.

No need to remember, there's the actual quote from the website. Notice what's missing from this quote: "except for people who want to just clone existing cards so that homeowners and guests and tenants don't have to go through the trouble of doing it the way we, the owners of these gates, want them to."

That's missing from that quote. So - a reasonable, intuitive, somewhat intelligent person would think "Hmm - they didn't say that there were any exceptions to the rule. I want my case to be an exception. I should either a) accept that I'm not an exception or b) contact the CDD and ask if I can be an exception."

Everyone else - will think they're more important than the rules, and do as they please.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by newgirl

I don't know how this is happening at all since these are all public streets. How they get away with even having gates is amazing.

your right on point , during my walks I have seen people get to gates not realizing there’s a button and start to make u turns I’ve hollered to just push the button , I have also run into people outside the villages that actually think they can’t enter. I’ve also been surprised more people haven’t complained like the landscape guys people have mentioned that they have to push a button to get access,

streets there taxes help pay for. FYI I like the gates I am a 22 year resident and let me add I’m 83 and never used many of the amenities , golf , pools , rec centers but people who are starting to whine because they shouldn’t have to pay for things they don’t use because there older ,should be allowed to continue to whine , when costs go up whether it is taxes , maintenance , amenities and you can’t afford it , then sell your house for a profit and downsize to somewhere else.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

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The only cards that will work in the new system are those that are active in our current system when they are migrated over.

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My thinking is that whatever information the clone cards send to the reader today make them appear to be a card active in the current system today. Why would they not look the same to the new software?

But to be sure we'll have to wait until the project starts rolling out.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

your right on point , during my walks I have seen people get to gates not realizing there’s a button and start to make u turns I’ve hollered to just push the button , I have also run into people outside the villages that actually think they can’t enter. I’ve also been surprised more people haven’t complained like the landscape guys people have mentioned that they have to push a button to get access,

streets there taxes help pay for. FYI I like the gates I am a 22 year resident and let me add I’m 83 and never used many of the amenities , golf , pools , rec centers but people who are starting to whine because they shouldn’t have to pay for things they don’t use because there older ,should be allowed to continue to whine , when costs go up whether it is taxes , maintenance , amenities and you can’t afford it , then sell your house for a profit and downsize to somewhere else.

Yes, “they” help pay for “our” roads, but “we” help pay for “their” roads. Who do you think pays more????

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yes, “they” help pay for “our” roads, but “we” help pay for “their” roads. Who do you think pays more????

dos it matter , and we don’t have to push a button ON THERE ROADS

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No need to remember, there's the actual quote from the website. Notice what's missing from this quote: "except for people who want to just clone existing cards so that homeowners and guests and tenants don't have to go through the trouble of doing it the way we, the owners of these gates, want them to."

That's missing from that quote. So - a reasonable, intuitive, somewhat intelligent person would think "Hmm - they didn't say that there were any exceptions to the rule. I want my case to be an exception. I should either a) accept that I'm not an exception or b) contact the CDD and ask if I can be an exception."

Everyone else - will think they're more important than the rules, and do as they please.

Those are the procedures for replacing a lost or stolen card. They say nothing about making copies of the card. I am on record as having two cards. When I sell or rent my property I need to return two cards. If I lose one of them then I'll need to replace it so that I can later return it. That is what the paragraph represents.

Similarly, I have three mailbox keys. When I move I will need to return three mailbox keys. I don't know the cost but I'm sure there is a way to pay to replace lost or stolen key.

But hey, maybe I want four mailbox keys. Why? It doesn't matter, I just want a fourth. I can head up to Ace Hardware and have a copy made, right? Wrong! On the key is clearly printed, "Do Not Duplicate." I assume (haven't looked) that the postal regulations also state, explicitly, that the keys shall not be duplicated.

When there is a rule it is plainly stated. Signs in your yard? No, there is a rule about that. Golf carts exceeding 20mph? No, there is a rule about that. Run a hair salon out of your home? No, there is a rule about that. Copy your garage door code to your car so you don't have to carry the remote? Yep, no rule against that. Copy a RFID card to a sticker that can be placed behind a mirror? Apparently no rule against that either.

Duplication of any type of credentials for an access control system is not favorably looked upon. Of course it is. Making multiple copies of the key to my house would not be favorably looked upon either. But, there is a big difference between, "we would prefer it not happen," and, "see section xx.xxx of the restrictions you agreed to."

But hey, I have no dog in this fight. It's just a pet peeve of mine to have someone say, "It's the law," when there is nothing they can point to that supports their opinion.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

Have you ever been behind some of these people, while they are holding there cards up against the car window ? I’m usually never in a hurry but it’s almost comical sometimes seeing them move it around , finally giving up and opening the window,which for some stretching out there arm to open the gate is probably the only exercise they’ll get all day.

That is why I use my card even if the gate has been knocked off. Exercise! Left my village twice today and really worked up a sweat.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Those are the procedures for replacing a lost or stolen card. They say nothing about making copies of the card. I am on record as having two cards. .

You have to read ALL of the information, and not just cherry-pick a few words that justify your opinion. Here's the part you aren't noticing:

A total of four gate cards can be issued per home. The payment types accepted are Cash, Check, MasterCard, Visa, and Discover.

If the homeowner can not be present to replace a lost card or to purchase an additional card, the homeowner must complete the Gate Card Authorization form and have it notarized. Please click here for the Gate Card Authorization Form.

Translation: only 4 cards PER HOME - your home comes with 2. If you want more than 2, you have to use a special form and get it notarized, OR show up in person to up to 2 additional cards. If you do anything OTHER than be in possession of 2 cards that come with the home, AND pay for and be AUTHORIZED for up to two more cards, then you are doing something wrong.

[billethkid]

Why so much effort to get more cards or clone cards etc. when all one has to do is push the button.

I look forward to finding out what the $270,000 upgrade accomplishes that the existing system can not handle.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm one of those who does have an aversion to opening my window. Why let the hot air into the car? Why let the rain wet the interior of my car door? Nope, not for me. I like that I can open the gate just by holding my card to the window. Works every time without opening the window.

Somebody didn't read the thread...

More than a few people (myself included) have stated that your method DOES NOT WORK in their cars...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Someone up-thread referred to that as "tailgating". I don't think so. I see plenty of cars exiting through the gates in a line of cars and the gates do not come down between cars. It's like there is no gate. I'm one of those who "tailgates" behind the car in front of me and does not let the gate come down as I exit. I would much prefer the exit gates be removed completely and let the golf carts wait until it is clear to proceed.

How friendly...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Because those are gate-restricted communities. The Villages is not.

Our roads are public roads. Anyone has legal access to them (with VERY few exceptions such as that Hickory Hammock area near Spanish Springs). The gates - are property of the Villages. The roads that those gates cross are taxpayer-owned roads.

You don't have the /right/ to duplicate those cards or card codes and bypass the system to give non-residents entry. You don't have to like that rule, but that's the rule. Y'all are such sticklers about the deed restrictions and how no one in your neighborhood should break any rules, and then they'll have nothing to complain about.

Well - this is a rule. If you aren't breaking it, then you have nothing to complain about. You knew about the gate cards when you bought your property. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have moved here.

What "rule" is being broken?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

He's not selling them. He's giving them away. He's basically helping non-residents circumvent the system that our community fees (amenity fees, assessments, I have no idea which but it's Villager homeowners who pay for it, not non-Villagers via taxes) pay for.

He doesn't have to like it. And he's not "breaking the law." But he is breaking the rules (which is not the same as breaking the law). Seems hypocritical to me, that people who pounce on anyone who violates deed restrictions in a deed restricted community, would have no problem violating the rules in a community governed with rules.

Again, what "rule"?

And how is he helping "non-residents"? Do you know for a fact that he is giving them out to "non-residents"?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No need to remember, there's the actual quote from the website. Notice what's missing from this quote: "except for people who want to just clone existing cards so that homeowners and guests and tenants don't have to go through the trouble of doing it the way we, the owners of these gates, want them to."

That's missing from that quote. So - a reasonable, intuitive, somewhat intelligent person would think "Hmm - they didn't say that there were any exceptions to the rule. I want my case to be an exception. I should either a) accept that I'm not an exception or b) contact the CDD and ask if I can be an exception."

Everyone else - will think they're more important than the rules, and do as they please.

Well, the OP specifically asked if it was against the rules to clone cards and was told that it wasn't... So there's that...