[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by VAtoFLA

This is less about the actual cost of guests and more about appearing to "fight the landlord" and the legend of the AirBNB nightmare. I don't know the stats, maybe someone here does, but of all guest passes issued, how many are every actually used (scanned)? I've had about 10 passes in the last year and I think one of the guests used one putting course once.

The notion of the bad guys using our amenities and driving up the costs is more about keeping them for ourselves and less about real cost increase. The friendliest community really just doesn't want to share because they resent the monthly fee they signed up for.

None of it impacts me too much.

Of the 220 person-days my guests had passes I would say they used a pool for six of them. 214 days they just carried the passes in their pocket.

[Velvet]

I don’t think that guest passes should be free at all. And they should be time limited, weekly or daily. It means people who are owners and who don’t regularly have guests have to pay for the extra wear and tear on our facilities. Now, unless you are going to argue that guest are actually, like angels and float on air etc…

Tell me where people can use facilities for free, try Disney, or movies, anywhere? For a WHOLE month? Why is it okay here? The laws of economics works differently for us? I personally have guests and family visit and I am quite happy to pay for them.

Also the argument of large families, go into Publix or anywhere and see if they’ll give you more bread for the same price because you have a “large” family. If you have a lot of people you pay proportionally more.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Why shouldn't guest passes cost something to contribute to the increase costs we all share? We have never needed guest passes when friends or family would visit because we entertained at home. Never used the community facilities. Yet, when others have guests and use the amenities the increased costs of maintenance and repair are passed on to us. Many folks have friends and family that come and stay and use "our" amenities extensively and the cost is passed on to all of us. I think a nominal fee ($10?) per guest, per month, would not be unreasonable and ma be significant in terms of offsetting costs.

I get guest passes so my visiting friends can get the better resident golf rates at the Championship golf courses, which are not amenities paid for by residents. That being said, I do support the floated idea of limiting free guest passes to 20 per year as a deterrent to revolving door short term rentals.

[DrMack]

Renters aren’t eligible for guest passes. If they were there alone an uproar among most. I think the article needs to clarify this.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by DrMack

Renters aren’t eligible for guest passes. If they were there alone an uproar among most. I think the article needs to clarify this.

I guarantee you there are landlords getting passes for their customers.

From the article… James Vaccaro said a man who operates an Airbnb told him that he has applied for hundreds of guest passes for those who stay there.

Vaccaro suggested that a $10 fee per pass might be affordable for residents who have a few guests a year, but more difficult for Airbnb operators.
“I don’t think we should be subsidizing anyone to use our facilities,” he said.

[DrMack]

Originally Posted by Normal

I guarantee you there are landlords getting passes for their customers.

From the article… James Vaccaro said a man who operates an Airbnb told him that he has applied for hundreds of guest passes for those who stay there.

Vaccaro suggested that a $10 fee per pass might be affordable for residents who have a few guests a year, but more difficult for Airbnb operators.
“I don’t think we should be subsidizing anyone to use our facilities,” he said.

If so, it’s disheartening and dishonest. Just ban landlords from getting guest passes. One poster said they aren’t hardly used anyway. The problem would be solved and the solution is straight forward. No harm no foul for anyone.

[ElDiabloJoe]

If a landlord of a reasonable rental unit wants guest passes for his tenants, I have no issues with it. They already pay a fee to get them. I would recommend a limit, like 4 per month. That's enough for a monthly renter and their occasional visitors. Seems reasonable to me.

Now if you're talking about new tenants every weekend or several times a week, then I'm not in support of guest pass issuance for these folks.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

If a landlord of a reasonable rental unit wants guest passes for his tenants, I have no issues with it. They already pay a fee to get them. I would recommend a limit, like 4 per month. That's enough for a monthly renter and their occasional visitors. Seems reasonable to me.

Now if you're talking about new tenants every weekend or several times a week, then I'm not in support of guest pass issuance for these folks.

How would anyone be able to differentiate between a resident getting a guest pass for a visiting friend versus another resident getting a guest pass for a tenant that is renting a room in their home short term via AIRBnB? That’s why I like the idea of limiting the number of free guest passes to something reasonable for legitimate resident guests but would be a deterrent for revolving door short term rentals.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

How would anyone be able to differentiate between a resident getting a guest pass for a visiting friend versus another resident getting a guest pass for a tenant that is renting a room in their home short term via AIRBnB? That’s why I like the idea of limiting the number of free guest passes to something reasonable for legitimate resident guests but would be a deterrent for revolving door short term rentals.

That would be the easiest and generate income too. Now there are big families out there. In that case a person can make a simple exemption request. I know the rec centers put all the guest pass info in the computer, so it wouldn’t be hard to see who was abusing the system.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

That would be the easiest and generate income too. Now there are big families out there. In that case a person can make a simple exemption request. I know the rec centers put all the guest pass info in the computer, so it wouldn’t be hard to see who was abusing the system.

The rec enters have put ZERO of my guest pass info into the computer.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The rec enters have put ZERO of my guest pass info into the computer.

Er, that's how those guest passes are generated. They're put in the system, and the names of the guests and their home addresses and birthdates are saved. That way if they return to visit again, you can just go to the rec center, tell them John Doe and his wife Susie are coming back, and they look it up and print you out the passes. I've done that twice for my cousins who visit for 2-3 days, a few times a year.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Er, that's how those guest passes are generated. They're put in the system, and the names of the guests and their home addresses and birthdates are saved. That way if they return to visit again, you can just go to the rec center, tell them John Doe and his wife Susie are coming back, and they look it up and print you out the passes. I've done that twice for my cousins who visit for 2-3 days, a few times a year.

Was it the rec center flagpole that entered the information or was it the automatic door, the pool table, the card room, or one of the employees?

In my case it wass me, my ten little fingers, typing on my keyboard while sitting in my home that put in the information.

Does it exist in a database? Sure. Did the rec center put it there? Not for my passes.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Was it the rec center flagpole that entered the information or was it the automatic door, the pool table, the card room, or one of the employees?

In my case it wass me, my ten little fingers, typing on my keyboard while sitting in my home that put in the information.

Does it exist in a database? Sure. Did the rec center put it there? Not for my passes.

Semantics...

Yes, you can register your own guests on-line, but the very same info is entered whether you do that or if you show up in person to get a guest pass...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Semantics...

Yes, you can register your own guests on-line, but the very same info is entered whether you do that or if you show up in person to get a guest pass...

Not semantics at all. The assertion was that because the rec center employees always entered the data they would be able to see who was “abusing” the system. I doubt it would be that simple but since the rec center employees DO NOT always enter the information they would not be able to identify “abusers.”

If I sit at home and enter the information then have my guests pick up their own passes the rec center employees don’t see a familiar face come in every third day. They might notice a lot of passes under my name but I can always vary the pickup points to avoid that.

[Velvet]

I don’t care how they enter the data, but guest passes should not be free and they should be time limited daily or weekly. If the guest doesn’t use it, they shouldn’t get one in the first place. I don’t buy a ticket to the movies IF I’m not going to go.

Where can you use their facilities for free for a whole month? This idea was introduced (most likely) as a way of advertising TV when it wasn’t well known. We no longer need this form of advertising. We can go to normal behavior like other venues.