[Normal]

Originally Posted by VAtoFLA

That's the thing. This entire thread really is about the STR Landlord Boogeyman and it was disguised initially as a wear and tear issue on the amenities.

Someone has created their own Boogeyman. I am the original poster. Read the post!!! It’s about amenities. The slippery slope this has taken is all about someone’s own perception. It would be nice to see amenity prices stall for a few years.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Normal

Someone has created their own Boogeyman. I am the original poster. Read the post!!! It’s about amenities. The slippery slope this has taken is all about someone’s own perception. It would be nice to see amenity prices stall for a few years.

It would be nice to see gas prices, food prices, college tuition and airline ticket prices stall for a few years as well. Unfortunately, Fantasyland is located about 60 miles south of here.

[octathorn]

Peopled, people, people don’t you think that since we’ve been allowed to get guest passes that the benevolent village owners have already factored in whatever extra maintenance costs there might be?
And if they did charge for passes, do you think that would prevent them from raising or amenity fees because they got revenue from somewhere else?
And those folks renting houses using guest passes, if the owners were living there instead and using the facilities what difference would that make then?
IMHO it all comes out in the wash

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So then you'd have to pay for six out of the 16 people who visit, if you want them to have a guest pass. I don't see the problem.

Still misread the post from LaLamy..her suggestion was

10 Passes TOTAL. No exceptions, no Buying extra. 10 Is the limit.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by octathorn

Peopled, people, people don’t you think that since we’ve been allowed to get guest passes that the benevolent village owners have already factored in whatever extra maintenance costs there might be?
And if they did charge for passes, do you think that would prevent them from raising or amenity fees because they got revenue from somewhere else?
And those folks renting houses using guest passes, if the owners were living there instead and using the facilities what difference would that make then?
IMHO it all comes out in the wash

For many years TV rentals were retired, many stayed high season, and other months. Our 2 homes in TV had same two people that stayed 5-6 months, for 4 years. The other home was long term one tenant for 10 years. As the owner you could see how many guest passes were issued, there were 4 guest passes issued.

Rentals were hard to acquire, usually with 30+ applicants, per rental. Most investors rented to keep home occupied, but rarely did you find they were desperate to rent. After all it was their home.

STR’s were few and far between, until the last few years. I don’t buy they are staying cheap to drive an hour Plus each way to the Parks and Beach.

Some STR’s are becoming a problem, the abundance of rentals, the need of money. STR’s are renting by the night. Like a revolving door, people come and go constantly.

We ran a credit check, those who have one day rental, don’t care who stays as long as the $ hits their account.

That the difference in today’s rental in TV

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by octathorn

And those folks renting houses using guest passes, if the owners were living there instead and using the facilities what difference would that make then?
IMHO it all comes out in the wash

Bad assumption.

In any resort/vacation/retirement community, the intensity of usage is multiplied exponentially, by short time visitors, who are trying to cram as much into their 2 weeks vacation period as they possibly can, to "get their money's worth".

Think about it. How often do you go out for dinner on a regular basis, vs how many times you're likely to dine out, when on vacation?

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Bad assumption.

In any resort/vacation/retirement community, the intensity of usage is multiplied exponentially, by short time visitors, who are trying to cram as much into their 2 weeks vacation period as the can, to "get their money's worth".

Think about it. How often do you go out for dinner on a regular basis, vs how many times you're likely to dine out, when on vacation?

Compare vaca dining out to TV resident, could be close to equal. Sad to say but in TV there are 100’s of home that still have the paperwork inside oven.

We looked at more than 400 preowned in TV that oven never used. Even in SS and Lopez area. It became a guessing game never used or used, before we toured the house.

We know many in TV who eat out daily, some twice a day. We on the other hand eat out maybe 4 times a month. That because we don’t fry fish at home. Eating breakfast out is extremely rare, mainly because I want my eggs perfectly basted, and bacon crispy.

[callalily]

I agree with the poster who said that short term renters use the amenities much more. I lived in a much smaller resort community prior to moving here. Before AirBNB and **** became a thing, the one pool was very pleasant to use with maybe one other group in it whenever we went. As STRs became more popular, the pool became more popular and there were 10X the number of people in it as previously. It was crowded and noisy. The wear and tear on the pool had to increase exponentially.

In the early '10's the community instituted a fee for pool guest passes of $10 per house per day. Guests of owners could come in with the owner pass. This did not affect short term rentals at all - I was renting out my unit at the time, so I know. If the powers that be want to decrease short term rentals, they'll have to put a limit on the number that they issue to each house.

[Justputt]

Originally Posted by Normal

Why are you against the abusers of the system paying for their abuse? There should be no beneficial free ride for those who continually abuse what we all pay for!
I’m sure the computer system knows who they are. Just run a query and bill accordingly. Abusers steal from the rest of us.

In the couple years I've lived here I've gotten a guest pass 1 time for the long weekend (suggestion of those issuing the pass to have a buffer just in case) even though they were going to only be here for an overnighter and we never used the pass! How many people actually USE the passes for the duration vs getting just "in case"?

Abuser? Define it! If a grandparent has their 2 kids, each with 3 kids, visit once or twice per year (e.g. Thanksgiving and Xmas), you're going to say it's abusive and make them pay for them to visit a third time in the same year (e.g. grandparent b-day, spring break, easter)? Where in the deed restrictions or ANY document we signed was there a limit on guests? I bought a home here KNOWING that TV has a strong reputation for being VERY friendly to parents and grandparents, hosting children's events, etc. and now you think it's abuse it they visit "too much"? Remember the FAMILY pools are there for a reason, e.g. kids and grandchildren, so their usage and the attached bathrooms was ALWAYS factored in and absolutely intentional.

I understand your point, but I personally have never seen our rec center fully utilized, although perhaps last year the pool was near capacity one or two days, whereas it's normally a dozen or less. Sure, with all the classes I'm sure the sports pools get busy, so maybe limit "classes" to residents? As for the bathrooms, let's be clear, TV grounds keepers, vendors, delivery drivers, and the like swamp our rec center bathrooms compared to ANYONE or group with guest passes!!! There's almost a continuous stream of them after lunch EVERY DAY until early afternoon, they're often there long enough to read a newspaper, and you rarely hear the hand dryer run when they leave... yuck.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Not true, have you ever gone in a pool after two hours of water volleyball being played on four courts. The water is so cloudy you can’t see more than a few feet underwater through swim goggles. The number of people might not affect the price of chlorine, but more is certainly needed (or the chlorinators that convert salt into chlorine need to run harder). Also, filters need to be cleaned/replaced more frequently, pumps run harder, water needs to be changed more frequently, and general cleaning and maintenance increases. Plus, the number of people in the pool most certainly affects the enjoyment of Ammenity fee paying residents.

The way I understand it the pools don't use Chlorine anymore. They use a less harsh chemical. 10 years ago when I was in a chlorine Village pool my eyes would burn if I opened them underwater. Today, my eyes don't burn because the non-chlorine additive that they use (I forget the exact name) is milder yet just as effective. I believe that it cost a little more than chlorine. I am obviously not a pool chemist.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Why shouldn't guest passes cost something to contribute to the increase costs we all share? We have never needed guest passes when friends or family would visit because we entertained at home. Never used the community facilities. Yet, when others have guests and use the amenities the increased costs of maintenance and repair are passed on to us. Many folks have friends and family that come and stay and use "our" amenities extensively and the cost is passed on to all of us. I think a nominal fee ($10?) per guest, per month, would not be unreasonable and ma be significant in terms of offsetting costs.

I agree and I think that as the RESIDENTS age, they tend to use less and less facilities in general. So, logically, the resident's fee should drop down as the years go by. But, also, the dollar's buying power will go down each year. So, you need a "constant dollar" calculation.

[Maker]

Originally Posted by Justputt

...Abuser? Define it! If a grandparent has their 2 kids, each with 3 kids, visit once or twice per year (e.g. Thanksgiving and Xmas), you're going to say it's abusive and make them pay for them to visit a third time in the same year (e.g. grandparent b-day, spring break, easter)? ...

Perhaps easy to address that concern. Previously issued guest passes can be reactivated within 10 months without counting towards the free limit.
That would be effective for family visiting, and preventing the revolving door of constant short term renter changes.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Justputt

In the couple years I've lived here I've gotten a guest pass 1 time for the long weekend (suggestion of those issuing the pass to have a buffer just in case) even though they were going to only be here for an overnighter and we never used the pass! How many people actually USE the passes for the duration vs getting just "in case"?

Abuser? Define it! If a grandparent has their 2 kids, each with 3 kids, visit once or twice per year (e.g. Thanksgiving and Xmas), you're going to say it's abusive and make them pay for them to visit a third time in the same year (e.g. grandparent b-day, spring break, easter)? Where in the deed restrictions or ANY document we signed was there a limit on guests? I bought a home here KNOWING that TV has a strong reputation for being VERY friendly to parents and grandparents, hosting children's events, etc. and now you think it's abuse it they visit "too much"? Remember the FAMILY pools are there for a reason, e.g. kids and grandchildren, so their usage and the attached bathrooms was ALWAYS factored in and absolutely intentional.

I understand your point, but I personally have never seen our rec center fully utilized, although perhaps last year the pool was near capacity one or two days, whereas it's normally a dozen or less. Sure, with all the classes I'm sure the sports pools get busy, so maybe limit "classes" to residents? As for the bathrooms, let's be clear, TV grounds keepers, vendors, delivery drivers, and the like swamp our rec center bathrooms compared to ANYONE or group with guest passes!!! There's almost a continuous stream of them after lunch EVERY DAY until early afternoon, they're often there long enough to read a newspaper, and you rarely hear the hand dryer run when they leave... yuck.

I will ALWAYS use a paper towel to dry my hand, but I will NEVER use an electric hand dryer because the loud noise hurts my ears, which are , admittedly, more sensitive than the average person. There are a few quiet machine hand dryers, but not many.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Maker

Perhaps easy to address that concern. Previously issued guest passes can be reactivated within 10 months without counting towards the free limit.
That would be effective for family visiting, and preventing the revolving door of constant short term renter changes.

There is also the option of pass usage. If a person doesn’t use all 10 passes they can carry forward an accrued number for a max of say 20 without paying. After that it could be use or lose.

[jimhoward]

Wait, I thought the short term renters were young adults having keg parties and capitalizing on the proximity to Disney and beaches. If you are driving an hour each way to Disney or the beach and you are partying all night in the house, when do you have time to use amenities. And why do you even need a guest pass?