[TNLAKEPANDA]

News Flash

In South Korea people who have gotten the virus and recovered has later tested positive again!

Better that you never get it and hope foe a vaccine 💉

[Schmuckerron]

A solid plan
N would require a crystal ball.

[blube]

Totally agree. I would be glad to stay home so that those who need to work can work.

[blube]

60% may already have had the disease; we don't know.

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by dcurrie947

Why hasn't anyone suggested everyone wear something over their face? If the virus enters thru the nose or mouth doesn't it make sense if everyone was covered when they left the house this thing would be gone in a short period of time?

I believe that this has been recommended (albeit just recently)

Present this idea to the doctors and nurses dealing with this right now. If they are on board with it (the current nightmare times 2 or 3) then you have a better argument. Also, since this virus hits 65 and older and those with underlying conditions hardest (much higher death rate among them), I think they should have some input too. Finally, I find it hard to believe that letting the virus run rampant will be less disruptive and destructive to our economy. Have you seen the death rates in those countries where it gets out of control? Italy’s is over 12%, Spain’s is almost 10%. However, Germany’ is less than 2% (we should follow their lead since ours is approaching 3%). At any rate, I still value life over money any day. Given everything I have read and heard, I believe a better solution to getting this under control quickly is for it to become mandatory for everyone to wear face masks anytime they are not in their home, period.

[Bonnevie]

I believe Boris Johnson advocated herd immunity early on.....willing shook hands with everyone.....

[Maxsan]

Please think of this. With isolation in place hospitals are being over whelmed. We may well loose a large portion of our health care workers, worsening the problem. The dose you receive dictates how severe of a case you will experience, the two young Chinese doctors who discovered the virus have died, age is not as critical as amount of exposure. The virus has much less of a chance of spreading via plastic, cardboard, cloth, etc than it does with droplets....sneezing coughing. It is a terrible experience to isolate but a far greater experience to become infected.

[moe1212]

Vaccines are marginally successful at best / stay fit / vitamin C / Zinc / good multi

[kendi]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

I know there are many threads on the coronavirus problem, but please allow me to start one to discuss just one specific aspect of this. I recently read in another thread here a comment to the effect that if we will just stick rigorously to our social distancing practices and practice good handwashing and the like, that we will be over this problem quicker.

While that may sound logical and correct, I don't believe that it is. In fact, if you will recall, the whole idea behind shutting things down and maintaining social distancing was to drag this process out for many months so as not to have too many cases at one time which would overwhelm our hospital resources. In other words, we wanted to "flatten" the curve, not have a short, sharp, high curve.

The quickest way to be rid of the CV problem would be to make no changes in our everyday habits, let people catch the virus, and then have about 99% of them recover and thereby build herd immunity rather quickly. The problem with this approach is that fatalities would likely be higher in the near term because the number of seriously ill patients would overwhelm our hospital system.

So, the powers that be chose the approach that would drag this situation out for a much longer period of time. While this approach would likely be easier to handle from a healthcare perspective, it will undoubtedly extend the time that we are dealing with the disease to a much, much longer period of time.

The drawback to this approach is that the disease doesn't really go away, it just spreads at a much slower rate and therefore takes a much longer period of time for our country to build a sizeable herd immunity. If we were able to go about our ordinary lives while slowing down the spread of the virus, that would be great, but unfortunately we can't.

So, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm concerned that this "social distancing" and shutting down of all non-essential businesses may be with us a LOT longer than many people think. In fact, the better we are at self distancing, the longer the situation will likely last.

So it appears that we either stay the course for many months or resume life as usual in a few weeks and see a rapid return of many sick people. The only bright light that I can see in the "slow" approach that was chosen is that it may buy us some time in the hopes that a cure may be found quickly. I certainly hope so.

There is one other alternative, but it's not popular in many circles... and that is to isolate the most vulnerable (the aged, the immune compromised, etc) and let the rest of the country go back to work. Personally, that's the approach that I think should have been taken from the start, but many people think otherwise.

I hope everyone stays well. I just wanted to present the choices as I see them.

Thanks

Interesting thoughts and you may be on target. I wonder if we really would build a herd immunity though. There doesn’t seem to be one with the seasonal flu. Nor was there one for polio and other diseases. Plus it seems to me the severity of the symptoms for some with Coronavirus needs to be taken into account.

[Ken Traverse]

Thank you George Orwell.

[oneclickplus]

Yes, that is the most logical way to get this over with. The cost is more deaths than with the "slow" method. Even isolating the most vulnerable would not be enough to mitigate this trade off. While they might be "safer", more deaths of those not classified as "most vulnerable" will occur by forging ahead and getting this over with.

I say forge ahead with business as usual. Why? Is it because I don't care about saving lives? No. Those who want to "risk" being part of the group that gets the virus and hopefully recovers can just go back to work now. Those who prefer the slow method can just stay home and isolate themselves. What am I missing with that logic? Tens of millions of people get the flu vaccine each year to protect themselves. I personally choose not to get the vaccine. It's my choice to take that risk. The same logic applies here.

[riamd1954]

Agree!! If you can go food shopping and let’s face your not maintaining 6 feet all the time ?? Then why can’t we start people going back to work?? Also it has been said ftom the beginning the elderly and immunocompromised stay in and then allow schools remain open and work ??? Theses are just thought I’ve heard from a lot of different people!!

[gatorbill1]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

I know there are many threads on the coronavirus problem, but please allow me to start one to discuss just one specific aspect of this. I recently read in another thread here a comment to the effect that if we will just stick rigorously to our social distancing practices and practice good handwashing and the like, that we will be over this problem quicker.

While that may sound logical and correct, I don't believe that it is. In fact, if you will recall, the whole idea behind shutting things down and maintaining social distancing was to drag this process out for many months so as not to have too many cases at one time which would overwhelm our hospital resources. In other words, we wanted to "flatten" the curve, not have a short, sharp, high curve.

The quickest way to be rid of the CV problem would be to make no changes in our everyday habits, let people catch the virus, and then have about 99% of them recover and thereby build herd immunity rather quickly. The problem with this approach is that fatalities would likely be higher in the near term because the number of seriously ill patients would overwhelm our hospital system.

So, the powers that be chose the approach that would drag this situation out for a much longer period of time. While this approach would likely be easier to handle from a healthcare perspective, it will undoubtedly extend the time that we are dealing with the disease to a much, much longer period of time.

The drawback to this approach is that the disease doesn't really go away, it just spreads at a much slower rate and therefore takes a much longer period of time for our country to build a sizeable herd immunity. If we were able to go about our ordinary lives while slowing down the spread of the virus, that would be great, but unfortunately we can't.

So, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm concerned that this "social distancing" and shutting down of all non-essential businesses may be with us a LOT longer than many people think. In fact, the better we are at self distancing, the longer the situation will likely last.

So it appears that we either stay the course for many months or resume life as usual in a few weeks and see a rapid return of many sick people. The only bright light that I can see in the "slow" approach that was chosen is that it may buy us some time in the hopes that a cure may be found quickly. I certainly hope so.

There is one other alternative, but it's not popular in many circles... and that is to isolate the most vulnerable (the aged, the immune compromised, etc) and let the rest of the country go back to work. Personally, that's the approach that I think should have been taken from the start, but many people think otherwise.

I hope everyone stays well. I just wanted to present the choices as I see them.

Thanks

You are killing me - literally

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by trshannon@aol.com

Vaccines are marginally successful at best / stay fit / vitamin C / Zinc / good multi

Marginally???? As in 83-99% effective depending on the vaccine.

I'm glad I've been vaccinated against polio, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, and rubella, as well as a flu shot every year for 40+ years, and of historical significance, smallpox.

You take your vitamin C and zinc, let me know how that works out for you

PS: Don't step on any rusty nails or visit any third world countries where polio is still around