[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Glass half empty?

completely empty

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you really and truly want "perspective" then you'll stop using death as the only criteria of whether or not a virus is a problem.

There are a bunch of things:

1. deaths
2. hospitalizations and the costs associated with that
3. families affected by the deaths of people who fit category #1
4. employers who now have to hire and spend time, money, and resources to train new people to fill the jobs that the people in category #1 can no longer fill because they're a little too busy being dead to do it now.
5. people who get sick and recover from the sickness, but now have life-long permanent lung and/or heart damage, and all the expense that goes with it.
6. people who were working, being productive members of society, who are now in category #5 and are now on medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies, courtesy of the taxpayers.
7. families of people in category #5, who have to spend the next "x" number of years attending to their sick relative for the rest of his/her life, which might be a long time. They don't know, because this thing has only existed for a year or so.
8. the burden on employers who now have to accommodate those family caretakers via family leave of absence.
9. the stress of being told that your husband is about to die, but sorry you can't be with him to hold his hand while he quite literally suffocates to death.
10. the stress of the families that have to live with a woman whose husband died, and she wasn't allowed to be with him, but was allowed to watch him die, live and in color, on a Zoom video.

and the list goes on, and on, and on. Death is just one of many issues resulting from this virus. It is the final issue, but I would think death is the least of the bad things that happen. Because once you're dead, being sick is not a problem for you anymore. It's all the rest of the world that has to deal with you being dead, that continues to be a problem. And recovering with permanent lung and/or heart damage, might end up being a fate worse than death for some.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you really and truly want "perspective" then you'll stop using death as the only criteria of whether or not a virus is a problem.

There are a bunch of things:

1. deaths
2. hospitalizations and the costs associated with that
3. families affected by the deaths of people who fit category #1
4. employers who now have to hire and spend time, money, and resources to train new people to fill the jobs that the people in category #1 can no longer fill because they're a little too busy being dead to do it now.
5. people who get sick and recover from the sickness, but now have life-long permanent lung and/or heart damage, and all the expense that goes with it.
6. people who were working, being productive members of society, who are now in category #5 and are now on medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies, courtesy of the taxpayers.
7. families of people in category #5, who have to spend the next "x" number of years attending to their sick relative for the rest of his/her life, which might be a long time. They don't know, because this thing has only existed for a year or so.
8. the burden on employers who now have to accommodate those family caretakers via family leave of absence.
9. the stress of being told that your husband is about to die, but sorry you can't be with him to hold his hand while he quite literally suffocates to death.
10. the stress of the families that have to live with a woman whose husband died, and she wasn't allowed to be with him, but was allowed to watch him die, live and in color, on a Zoom video.

and the list goes on, and on, and on. Death is just one of many issues resulting from this virus. It is the final issue, but I would think death is the least of the bad things that happen. Because once you're dead, being sick is not a problem for you anymore. It's all the rest of the world that has to deal with you being dead, that continues to be a problem. And recovering with permanent lung and/or heart damage, might end up being a fate worse than death for some.

Those are traits of ALL serious illnesses. Death is the most effective stat when it comes to a virus that there is no idea how many are truly infected. Hospitalizations and death stats are more informative than how many times a test comes back positive, when some of the same folks are tested multiple times and most of the population is not even tested. The only way testing would be valid would to test everyone in the U.S. at one time and document the results. Impossible feat.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you really and truly want "perspective" then you'll stop using death as the only criteria of whether or not a virus is a problem.

There are a bunch of things:

1. deaths
2. hospitalizations and the costs associated with that
3. families affected by the deaths of people who fit category #1
4. employers who now have to hire and spend time, money, and resources to train new people to fill the jobs that the people in category #1 can no longer fill because they're a little too busy being dead to do it now.
5. people who get sick and recover from the sickness, but now have life-long permanent lung and/or heart damage, and all the expense that goes with it.
6. people who were working, being productive members of society, who are now in category #5 and are now on medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies, courtesy of the taxpayers.
7. families of people in category #5, who have to spend the next "x" number of years attending to their sick relative for the rest of his/her life, which might be a long time. They don't know, because this thing has only existed for a year or so.
8. the burden on employers who now have to accommodate those family caretakers via family leave of absence.
9. the stress of being told that your husband is about to die, but sorry you can't be with him to hold his hand while he quite literally suffocates to death.
10. the stress of the families that have to live with a woman whose husband died, and she wasn't allowed to be with him, but was allowed to watch him die, live and in color, on a Zoom video.

and the list goes on, and on, and on. Death is just one of many issues resulting from this virus. It is the final issue, but I would think death is the least of the bad things that happen. Because once you're dead, being sick is not a problem for you anymore. It's all the rest of the world that has to deal with you being dead, that continues to be a problem. And recovering with permanent lung and/or heart damage, might end up being a fate worse than death for some.

I see your point and it is valid. All these things are awful. It will take a while for the bean counters to tell us how bad.

As it now stands, about one of ten people who are over eighty who have contracted Covid-19 will die. That really matters to me who is 81 and still really enjoying life. I would really like to continue living for awhile and take my chances with the other stuff.

I would be just as concerned if it were your age group, (under sixty) or the little ones with a whole life ahead of them. life is precious to many of us. Ours and others.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I see your point and it is valid. All these things are awful. It will take a while for the bean counters to tell us how bad.

As it now stands, about one of ten people who are over eighty who have contracted Covid-19 will die. That really matters to me who is 81 and still really enjoying life. I would really like to continue living for awhile and take my chances with the other stuff.

I would be just as concerned if it were your age group, (under sixty) or the little ones with a whole life ahead of them. life is precious to many of us. Ours and others.

According to medical authorities Covid is a completely preventable disease, and I am quite sure that with your wisdom and guidance, Gracie, you and yours will be fine.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Exposure to someone who has COVID requires a lot more than you being in the same room or even close to them. They would have to sneeze or cough near you to spread. Wait at least a week before getting tested unless you are having symptoms which can take several days to a week to show up. Don’t freak out.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Velvet

According to medical authorities Covid is a completely preventable disease, and I am quite sure that with your wisdom and guidance, Gracie, you and yours will be fine.

Please share the names of the “medical authorities” who claim that Covid is a “completely preventable disease”...

[Papa_lecki]

Well, its been almost 2 weeks, what’s the verdict? Did all 20 people at the meeting get COVID? Did any?

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Please share the names of the “medical authorities” who claim that Covid is a “completely preventable disease”...

Agree, you can lower your chance of getting many disease....
Lung cancer, Don’t smoke -
Heart disease, exercise, eat low fat, etc
Skin cancer, sun screen, stay out of the sun

How many of us do these things 100% of the time.