[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

ICU’s typically operate at 70-75% capacity, that is what hospitals consider “optimal occupancy”.
What would you like to see? ICU’s with 100% available capacity? If that were the case who would pay the staff to not work? You sound like the governor of NY who complained about how many ventilators he needed. When in actuality he didn’t even need what he already had...

The boy scouts motto is "be prepared". Also, hindsight is 20/20.....even in 2020

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

Please show me the science where asymptomatic people are not necessarily contagious.

I'm assuming you're speaking from experience?? Let me tell you about my experience.

In my social group, there have been 8 people that recently have tested positive for COVID. Four had minor symptoms. Two had significant symptoms but didn't require hospitalization. Two are in the hospital. One is on a ventilator.

Note that this group was cautious. There was no travel.

The mainstream media rhetoric is irrelevant to me. But the fact that two of my friends are in the hospital and their outcome is unknown is very relevant to me.

I speak from experience. SO hopefully you bring more to the table than just... your opinion.

Thanks for sharing. That proves what I have been saying that " TV Land - we have a problem". Time to start fighting it - not going out to bars and doing "normal things".

[TCNY61]

My mother in law is in a rehab facility. She recently had to visit a hospital for a procedure. The rehab tested her when she came back (rapid test) and tested positive for Covid. Even though she had no symptoms for a few days they made her stay in the Covid ward in the facility with a roommate that also tested positive. They gave her two of the longer tests (came out negative both times) before they would let her exit the covid ward.

Originally Posted by Byte1

I have heard and read many times that the COVID test is not conclusive and in many cases result in false POSITIVE readings. So, if you get a false positive and have no symptoms, they have you scared and quarantined.
Here is something I read recently, and I am interested in what the "experts" on here have to say about it. I am sure that some will say that it's not valid, but even if so I think it is something to consider. Believe or scoff, your choice.

"....people can be exposed to virus, and mount a simple innate immune response and never know any differently. When you test these people with very low viral loads, who are not sick, you can find the viral RNA code that is used to “diagnose” if you cycle enough times. ....... Labcorp cycles at least 40 times to detect viral genome fragments. The PCR test was never intended for diagnosis of infection but as a qualitative test for presence of parts of a virus genome. .. there has been some confusion circulating the net about what the inventor Kary Mullis had said about that. But we walk daily with people who have any number of parts of killer virus or bacterial genomes which one could pick up with a PCR test if one had the specific test for it."

"When it comes to COVID, the presence of viral particles picked up by the PCR technique does not and has not been quantitatively linked to an active “symptomatic” infection. It simply cannot be so, because infection threshold as a result of viral load is different for each patient. It turns out, if you “cycle” over around 25 times, the false positivity of COVID infection starts getting very high."


"..the PCR test is used to amplify small amount of genetic material so as to recognize patterns of DNA by “cycling.” (Also, for RNA virus, the RNA is converted to DNA in order to be detected, it’s just the way the test works)....It works because if you amplify and cycle enough times to “grow” legitimate DNA fragments, you get something with with a fair amount of specificity. What is becoming more and more apparent is that the PCR test was not designed as a diagnostic tool for infection, and really cannot function as one without having a huge amount of false positives, period."

[Tblue]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Fine if you are in the upper 1%, But I am not. So I would do much better in Scandanavian countries for MY health care. ( and 99% of the people are like me). Mr. Guiliani's care PROVED that today as the facts came out. His SPECIAL CV COCKTAIL of drugs is NOT available to Joe ordinary Bozo in the great US of A. And deep down you know that I am correct!

Somehow it seems you expect those with millions to receive the same health care as Joe ordinary? A very nice thought in a perfect world but we live in a real world, and simply put if he can afford it why can’t Giuliani have better health care? I look at it as flying first class, there is a minimum all receive, put sitting in the front of plane has a few perks, pay for it if you like. Deep down you know that I am correct.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Remember the expression," not seeing the forest for the trees. Think of R.I. hospitals as ONLY the trees. Then forget R.I. altogether. My point was about the FOREST - in this case, ALL the hospitals in ALL the states of the US. Hospitals are ALL, ALL, ALL worried about overcrowding because of the STUPIDITY of the US citizens and their stubbornness and their selfishness in TRAVELING over the Thanksgiving holidays despite DESPERATE CDC warnings to the contrary. This caused RECORD cases. Record hospitalization and record DEATHS recently. More deaths in ONE day than all the US combat deaths during WW2 !!!!!!! What more can I say to convince people that we need emergency ACTION against the PLAGUE. This means things like no indoor anything like restaurants, bars, churches and etc. It means NO TRAVEL for Christmas. What would Jesus do to save people's lives over Christmas this year?

“TRAVELING over the Thanksgiving holidays despite DESPERATE CDC warnings to the contrary. This caused RECORD cases. Record hospitalization and record DEATHS recently. More deaths in ONE day than all the US combat deaths during WW2 !!!!!!!”

I must have missed something, over 400,000 people died in the US from Covid in one day?!?!?!?

[Justus]

I have recently stopped contributing to discussion on this subject. Why? It has become a tiresome venue for at least one individual to espouse pejorative views on our Country's health care system which, despite constant criticism from uninformed sources, is arguably the most envied in the world. Doctors and hospitals here treat thousands of people - both wealthy and impoverished - from countries whose socialist systems are so overburdened and/or inadequate, they are either turned away or put in waiting lines so long, they often die or become terminal before receiving care.
With regard to Covid...for as many medical professionals who are lockstep with Fauci's everchanging mandates, there are thousands and thousands, both nationally and internationally, who remain vehemently opposed. They have been effectively silenced or berated, as has been much opposing opinion herein.
Change is a simple solution to discontent. Relocate to any other socialist country. Problem solved!