[Toymeister]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

If you do go to court, I hope you're clearer in your presentation. I can't even figure out which side of the case you're arguing.

That is useful.

What about you do you think is the guy who does not illuminate his path, operating at a greater speed than walkers, correct in blaming the walkers for not making themselves visible enough to satisfy his needs? Or do you side with me the the biker needs to get adequate safety equipment to operate his bicycle in the conditions (darkness) that he choses?

Is this biker a potential victim of careless walkers?

[Tennisbum]

Look at as thinning the heard. It may be too late to stop them from breeding, but maybe we can avoid their off-spring running around!

[Polar Bear]

A biker is obligated to make him/herself visible for a minimum distance per the laws of the state. A walker is obligated to make him/herself visible per the laws of survival.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by Graspher

Read carefully....”white light visible from a distance of at least 500 feet...”

My 2 white blinky lights are visible from 500 feet or farther. I’m in compliance with that.

They do not illuminate like a car’s headlight. I will not see someone 20 feet ahead of me in the darkness - but I will be seen from 500 feet plus.

Being visible and illuminating a path are two different concepts. Think match versus flashlight.

My ex-wife used to walk three miles in the dark every night on roads with no illumination. She wore a vest with high quality reflecting tape on it and a Flashing red light behind and carried a bright flashlight to turn on and wave if a car was coming.

Even a flashing light on a bicycle will alert a rider to a walker with reflective tape on a vest. It won’t help with someone in a black hoody.

[MandoMan]

[QUOTE=Choro&Swing;1819546]My ex-wife used to walk three miles in the dark every night on roads with no illumination. She wore a vest with high quality reflecting tape on it and a flashing red light behind and carried a bright flashlight to turn on and wave if a car was coming.

Even a flashing light on a bicycle will alert a rider to a walker with reflective tape on a vest. It won’t help with someone in a black hoody.

[MandoMan]

My ex-wife used to walk three miles in the dark every night on roads with no illumination. She wore a vest with high quality reflecting tape on it and a flashing red light behind and carried a bright flashlight to turn on and wave if a car was coming.

Even a flashing light on a bicycle will alert a rider to a walker with reflective tape on a vest. It won’t help with someone in a black hoody. If she had adopted the black hoody look, she would be my late wife.

[Graspher]

Originally Posted by TooColdNJ

Try:
On your right!
Coming behind you!
YO! WATCH YOUR LEFT.!
coming through!
Watch you backs!

Or Wear a whistle around you neck

Yes, thanks. I do practice that when those in front of me are visible.

[Graspher]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

When I posted this statute I was certain the forum regulars would post comments like yours. It would not matter in a civil case, you would be negligent. I could easily get a statement from the winky light manufacturer that it was not intended to illuminate your path.

Let me be blunt: Your problem of not seeing people needs to be addressed by YOU.

Who takes responsibility for those who don't want to be seen?

[Graspher]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

That is useful.

What about you do you think is the guy who does not illuminate his path, operating at a greater speed than walkers, correct in blaming the walkers for not making themselves visible enough to satisfy his needs? Or do you side with me the the biker needs to get adequate safety equipment to operate his bicycle in the conditions (darkness) that he choses?

Is this biker a potential victim of careless walkers?

The only need I'm expressing is for folks to use a bit of common sense.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Graspher

Read carefully....”white light visible from a distance of at least 500 feet...”

My 2 white blinky lights are visible from 500 feet or farther. I’m in compliance with that.

They do not illuminate like a car’s headlight. I will not see someone 20 feet ahead of me in the darkness - but I will be seen from 500 feet plus.

Being visible and illuminating a path are two different concepts. Think match versus flashlight.

Yes, carefully is the keyword. It doesn't read "blinky lights" it reads LAMP. I would think there is a difference between a "blinky" LED and a LAMP. If my desk LAMP was BLINKY I'd be in trouble. In either case if it went to court you'd likely be paying especially if DAN gets the case.

[Velvet]

The blinking light is to let others see you. But you need to see them so you can avoid them, that is why you need a lamp. And watch out for people with metal walking sticks. I’ve seen them stop motorcycles dead by being shoved in the spokes, when a biker got too close.

[Neils]

Originally Posted by TooColdNJ

Try:
On your right!
Coming behind you!
YO! WATCH YOUR LEFT.!
coming through!
Watch you backs!

Or Wear a whistle around you neck

Any deaf people in TV??? Slow down, its on you to watch out for others. Beep Beep

[chuckk281]

Originally Posted by Graspher

For the active folks who are walking and jogging in the early morning (read that as in the dark) - for gosh sakes - carry a flashlight or wear some form of lighting gadget or at least put on a reflective vest.

If one is walking in the dark while wearing dark clothing - I as a bicyclist can not see you. I don't have a 12 volt headlight on my bike revealing dark objects 150 feet in front of me.

As part of my 20 mile bike loop I travel along CHURCHILL DOWNS between 5 and 6 a.m. There are street lights and ambient light along that road but there are also MANY pockets of absolute pure DARKNESS.

Over this past weekend I encountered 3 individuals walking along the MMP who perfectly blended in with the darkness.

I'm traveling along at 12 mph with white blinky lights on the front of my bike and a red blinky on the rear. My white lights do not illuminate anything - they are eye catchers for others to see me.

I'm coming up from behind - you don't see my lights and my bike is quiet - you are camouflaged in the darkness - I may or may not be able to see you.

Don't chance an unwelcomed intersection between you and me.

If you walk, jog, rollerblade, skate or longboard in the dark - make sure you can be seen by those in front and in back of you.

The majority of folks I encounter in the early a.m. are highly visible - thanks to all who are.

For those who aren't - use a smidge of common sense and light yourself up. It's about safety - be safe!

Totally agree from a golf cart perspective!

[donassaid]

And quit walking in the cart lanes. That's what sidewalks are for!

[dnobles]

Thank you Grasper!! We also ride our bikes and have trouble seeing people in dark clothing.