[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by lovesports

There is no way I can explain it all here, but I think it is interesting that the HOA is pushing for the parades to come back.
Whoever really knows but if the Developer's HOA really wants the parades back, they will be back. Otherwise, they just want Barb to take the fall for an unpopular decision.
Plus the article did a nice job of explaining different scenarios where compromise could be worked out.
I had already read my copy but thanks Skip for posting for others to see it.
It has much information this month.

Don't you mean the POA??

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by lovesports

There is no way I can explain it all here, but I think it is interesting that the HOA is pushing for the parades to come back.
Whoever really knows but if the Developer's HOA really wants the parades back, they will be back. Otherwise, they just want Barb to take the fall for an unpopular decision.
Plus the article did a nice job of explaining different scenarios where compromise could be worked out.
I had already read my copy but thanks Skip for posting for others to see it.
It has much information this month.

The way I read it, the POA is pushing for the parades to continue. The POA is not the Developer's HOA. The developer's arm is the VHA. The POA functions as a watchdog for the property owners' interests. When you read that the VHA is on board, then there will be positive parade promotions.

[lovesports]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Don't you mean the POA??

Thanks Bogie. I meant the VHA (?). The Developer's Home Owner Association. The POA is standing back and watching because they want to see what the VHA can accomplish.

Bogie, Thanks again

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Does the developer owe the residents free entertainment for life?

It it were not for me and other Villages residents, there would be no developer. This area would still be a cattle farm.

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=Warren Kiefer;589643]It it were not for me and other Villages residents, there would be no developer. This area would still be a cattle farm.[/QUOTe

How so?

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

It it were not for me and other Villages residents, there would be no developer. This area would still be a cattle farm.

Let's try this another way. If you were the developer would you pay for free entertainment for your past customers for life?

[lovesports]

Just a gentle question...The Developer owns the bank, the retail buildings in the squares, T&D, (backing a relative) the insurance company, the furniture store, some restaurants, the movie theaters, some golf stores, some golf courses, a mortgage company ,receives rent from vendors etc. He is the hidden owner in some of the health care and utilities companies. I don't think I will ever be his "past" customer. I will be long gone and this place will still be generating income for the developer and his family.

Second point, isn't much of the entertainment being paid for from other sources than the developer??

Like I said, these are gentle questions. No emotion involved on my part. As a matter of fact, I'm going to bed.

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I sent her a link to this thread and I signed MY name.

Gracie, please let us know if you get a response - thank you

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

The way I read it, the POA is pushing for the parades to continue. The POA is not the Developer's HOA. The developer's arm is the VHA. The POA functions as a watchdog for the property owners' interests. When you read that the VHA is on board, then there will be positive parade promotions.

The P.O.A. and the V.H.A. newsletters both arrived yesterday. I like that there are two such associations for The Villages residents. It's nice to compare and see both sides of topics that relate to The Villages. However, yesterday was a little different. The P.O.A. paper was pretty much jammed with information and positions. On the other hand, the V.H.A. publication was (surprisingly) total fluff. Absolutely nothing of substance. I certainly hope that yesterday's V.H.A. edition was "one of a kind" as it was a total waste of paper.

Xavier

[billethkid]

the entertainment business in TV used to be developer owned and driven. That is no longer the case. Vesco and her husband bought out the entertainment package from the developer.

They in turn have been and are weedingout those events that do not contribute to "their" bottom line. Parades are an expense. Same as the patriotic events they have scaled back and or cancelled. These were all of value as a marketing tool for the developer. Not so for Vesco.

The Vescos were/are insiders in the developer clan. The obviously operate on the basis it is their business and they owe residents no excuses.

Protests will not bring back that which does not earn them a profit, which is good business....we may quarrel with how they conduct it.

You want to organize an impact? Go after one or more of the big events that they make money from. Boycott a few of those.

As the developement of TV nears completion we can only look forward to more aspects of the "lifestyle" we bought into to be sold off and reduced/changed/eliminated.

The Vescos may be socially connected and entertainment connected however, they are definitely NOT TV resident connected.....such a shame....they exhibit the don't care attitude.
We will be missing the developer more and more as time goes on.
btk

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by billethkid

the entertainment business in TV used to be developer owned and driven. That is no longer the case. Vesco and her husband bought out the entertainment package from the developer.

They in turn have been and are weedingout those events that do not contribute to "their" bottom line. Parades are an expense. Same as the patriotic events they have scaled back and or cancelled. These were all of value as a marketing tool for the developer. Not so for Vesco.

The Vescos were/are insiders in the developer clan. The obviously operate on the basis it is their business and they owe residents no excuses.

Protests will not bring back that which does not earn them a profit, which is good business....we may quarrel with how they conduct it.

You want to organize an impact? Go after one or more of the big events that they make money from. Boycott a few of those.

As the developement of TV nears completion we can only look forward to more aspects of the "lifestyle" we bought into to be sold off and reduced/changed/eliminated.

The Vescos may be socially connected and entertainment connected however, they are definitely NOT TV resident connected.....such a shame....they exhibit the don't care attitude.
We will be missing the developer more and more as time goes on.
btk

As usual, you say it how it is. I so respect the way you present your ideas.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

As usual, you say it how it is. I so respect the way you present your ideas.

I agree.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by billethkid

the entertainment business in TV used to be developer owned and driven. That is no longer the case. Vesco and her husband bought out the entertainment package from the developer.

The Vescos may be socially connected and entertainment connected however, they are definitely NOT TV resident connected.....such a shame....they exhibit the don't care attitude.

btk

Right! Paul and Barbara don't even live here any more. They live near Orlando.

Perhaps we could persuade Barbara to apply for a entertainment jobs in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Toronto, Pasadena or New Orleans. Macy's has the wonderful Thanksgiving Day Parade and there's a New York City St. Patrick's Day Parade, then there's the Mummers Parade in Philly, and the Bud Billiken Parade in Chicago, the Santa Claus Parade in Toronto, oh, and the great Rose Parade in Pasadena. Don't forget the dozens and dozens of Mardi Gras Parades in New Orleans. Canceling all those parades will certainly keep her busy. Just think of America without those famous events.

Remember when The Villages had a great Mardi Gras Parade and gave all the marching groups Mardi Gras beads to toss out to the applauding crowd? Then she stopped the tossing, then she stopped giving away the beads and now they set up stands to SELL the beads to residents. Who wants to buy Mardi Gras beads? The object is to come home with "earned" beads, not purchased beads. It's a symbol of fun and sharing not financial enterprise. Next thing you know, she'll move all the celebrations to the Polo Fields and charge admission. That's the direction we're headed.

Old Harold Schwartz must be turning in his grave. He loved to ride in that old Model T car in the parades and wave to the crowd (his friends and neighbors). It's sad.

Skip

[rubicon]

I don't wish to appear judgmental but quite frankly I am surprised that people are surprised of developmens such as this. Golf cart communities have been around for a long time. All the Developer (Entity) did was razzle dazzle people with the Lifestyle concept most of which is available in any city of an appreciable size. But some folks just seem to go overboard and these are the folks that cry out for a return of the bison. Fact is the two lawsuits in connection with the bison were a convience for the Developer (Entity) to exit something which was planned for right from the start. the Developer (entity) possesses good business acumen and is quite aggressive.
I can't say I am enamored as to their modus operandi but it is all legal.

The concern and the thing I dislike most about The Villages is that the Developer (entity) owns or controls most of Sumter County as a previous poster detailed. It is this ownership that is pivotal issue in the IRS audit of the Bond Issue.

so it is not a surprise that the Developer (entity) is spinning off its obligations as the built out is completed because it reduces expenses and increases focus on squeezing more profits on what the Developer (entity) owns here.

Another aspect is that residents either don't know or get lost in the fact that the Developer (entity) leveraged residents money to build The Villages. so when I read a post on TOTV thanking the Developer (entity) for building this wonderful place it leaves me scratching head because it is our money that is building this place.

Another concern is what happens when the build out is done? We know the Developer will have continuing income as long as TV is in existence. However we don't know who will control everyday operations nor how effective and cost efficient they will be.

[ugotme]

Not to steal this thread but . . .

This all leaves folks like us wondering?!
If we come up and like what we see (which I certainly believe we will) do we buy wondering if TV will be as it is or become "just another community?"

Kinda makes you stop and think.