[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by ugotme

Not to steal this thread but . . .

This all leaves folks like us wondering?!
If we come up and like what we see (which I certainly believe we will) do we buy wondering if TV will be as it is or become "just another community?"

Kinda makes you stop and think.

When you do you will be able to talk to Villagers that never heard of TOTV.... different perspective.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by ugotme

Not to steal this thread but . . .

This all leaves folks like us wondering?!
If we come up and like what we see (which I certainly believe we will) do we buy wondering if TV will be as it is or become "just another community?"

Kinda makes you stop and think.

ugotme: Don't wonder visit and use what you find here to seek the answers to your questions. However, and I may be wrong I do not believe there is anyone here that can answer that question unequivocally.

I am not overly concerned but continue seeking information so as not to encounter any surprises. I do believe The Viilages is large and wealthy enough to withstand some economic surprises and at this point is governed well.

[Yorio]

It's not about parades but we were very disappointed by the recent Bronson Gold performers at Savannah. Since PR touted it as coming from Bronson, Mo, we had great expectation but the music was so loud, we had to leave in mid-performance. The Jerry Lee Lewis performer was good but others IMHO was not Bronson calibre. Last year we heard Cadillac Gold 24 at nearby town and they were very, very good. I hope this an anomaly. There were better singers at the local Village performers of Elvis Lives which we attended few weeks before.

[Advogado]

[QUOTE=Xavier;589799]The P.O.A. and the V.H.A. newsletters both arrived yesterday. I like that there are two such associations for The Villages residents. It's nice to compare and see both sides of topics that relate to The Villages. However, yesterday was a little different. The P.O.A. paper was pretty much jammed with information and positions. On the other hand, the V.H.A. publication was (surprisingly) total fluff. Absolutely nothing of substance. I certainly hope that yesterday's V.H.A. edition was "one of a kind" as it was a total waste of paper.

In reality, the VHA is not an "Association for The Villages residents", as you describe it. In my view, it is a front for the Developer and an affront to The Villages residents. It is subsidized by the Developer in order to weaken the POA-- both financially and in terms of influence. Do not expect merely "total fluff" from the VHA newsletter. Expect Developer-slanted total fluff. Bear that in mind, and you will not be surprised again.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Yorio

It's not about parades but we were very disappointed by the recent Bronson Gold performers at Savannah.

(BTW, It's Branson, Mo.)

Didn't like the "Branson Gold" performance? Complain to Barbara Vesco - she booked them - and took your money. How much did you pay for a half show?

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[ugotme]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

When you do you will be able to talk to Villagers that never heard of TOTV.... different perspective.

Originally Posted by rubicon

ugotme: Don't wonder visit and use what you find here to seek the answers to your questions. However, and I may be wrong I do not believe there is anyone here that can answer that question unequivocally.

I am not overly concerned but continue seeking information so as not to encounter any surprises. I do believe The Viilages is large and wealthy enough to withstand some economic surprises and at this point is governed well.

Good answers as always - thank you.
That is one of the main reasons I come on here to find answers and, of course, now I have gotten to "know" some of you.

Looking forward to asking more questions both here and when I visit.
Thanks for all our tolerance.

[billethkid]

I would not let the parade/no parade dispute sway whether one should buy into the life style here.

I hate to use the cliche', however TV is too big to fail. Some form of ongoing management will be in place....obviously not the developer.

Who ever owns/manges TV in the future is going to need for it to remain the success that it is to be prosperous.

If we go back 10 year we can recount things that used to be. Those who have been here when it all began, would comment at much better TV is than it used to be.

I don't remember the parades or the new years parties on the squares or the buffalo being in the equation when it was time to make a decision to be here.

And the new folks coming in have the advantage to see all the current pluses and no knowledge of anything being lost or "taken away".

C'mon down....TV will still offer a better life style than most any other retirement communities....for those who like an active style of life....that's why we are here right.

btk

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Advogado

In reality, the VHA is not an "Association for The Villages residents", as you describe it. In my view, it is a front for the Developer and an affront to The Villages residents. It is subsidized by the Developer in order to weaken the POA-- both financially and in terms of influence. Do not expect merely "total fluff" from the VHA newsletter. Expect Developer-slanted total fluff. Bear that in mind, and you will not be surprised again.

boy howdy

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I don't wish to appear judgmental but quite frankly I am surprised that people are surprised of developmens such as this. Golf cart communities have been around for a long time. All the Developer (Entity) did was razzle dazzle people with the Lifestyle concept most of which is available in any city of an appreciable size. But some folks just seem to go overboard and these are the folks that cry out for a return of the bison. Fact is the two lawsuits in connection with the bison were a convience for the Developer (Entity) to exit something which was planned for right from the start. the Developer (entity) possesses good business acumen and is quite aggressive.
I can't say I am enamored as to their modus operandi but it is all legal.

The concern and the thing I dislike most about The Villages is that the Developer (entity) owns or controls most of Sumter County as a previous poster detailed. It is this ownership that is pivotal issue in the IRS audit of the Bond Issue.

so it is not a surprise that the Developer (entity) is spinning off its obligations as the built out is completed because it reduces expenses and increases focus on squeezing more profits on what the Developer (entity) owns here.

Another aspect is that residents either don't know or get lost in the fact that the Developer (entity) leveraged residents money to build The Villages. so when I read a post on TOTV thanking the Developer (entity) for building this wonderful place it leaves me scratching head because it is our money that is building this place.

Another concern is what happens when the build out is done? We know the Developer will have continuing income as long as TV is in existence. However we don't know who will control everyday operations nor how effective and cost efficient they will be.

As usual, Rubicon, you bring up good points. I think people take for granted that so much of the "lifestyle" will always be here, when in fact, there is nothing saying it will.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mickey100

As usual, Rubicon, you bring up good points. I think people take for granted that so much of the "lifestyle" will always be here, when in fact, there is nothing saying it will.

And...we are all 55 plus. We won't always be here either. ENJOY TODAY!

[mickey100]

Enjoy today. Plan for tomorrow.

[mickey100]

Actually, its probably best to "learn from yesterday, enjoy today, and plan for tomorrow".

[PennBF]

It is NOT Parades. They are the tip of the iceberg. It is all ENTERTAINMENT activities. It is music at the squares, it is supporting any clubs that may be tied to the entertainments new Consultant and so on. It is the developer taking profits out of the Village's (e.g. Retail store rental assessments, Some recreation center revenue, blocking other Reality firms from some parts of business..restriction resale realestate to his pockets, etc.etc.) and not reinvesting some of his profits back into the Villages. These are the things to look forward to vis a vis The Villages. Of course he has the right to all of these things but taking and not giving is allegedly a sign they did not give a hoot nor hollar about the Villages in the first place. If as it is alleged that a person who lives outside of the Villages is now the one in total control of the Village entertainment and this was given up by the Developer without any assurance of basic protection against an abuses then faith has been totally lost and The Villages are essentially a new type of community for over 55's.
Those who mock the ones that are concerned with the shut down of Parades are the same ones who will scream like a stuffed pig when they lose their favorite entertainment.
NET: These are very broad issues and deserve not only attention by all but
also appropriate reactions when the policies are implemented against The
Village residents.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

It is NOT Parades. They are the tip of the iceberg. It is all ENTERTAINMENT activities. It is music at the squares, it is supporting any clubs that may be tied to the entertainments new Consultant and so on. It is the developer taking profits out of the Village's (e.g. Retail store rental assessments, Some recreation center revenue, blocking other Reality firms from some parts of business..restriction resale realestate to his pockets, etc.etc.) and not reinvesting some of his profits back into the Villages. These are the things to look forward to vis a vis The Villages. Of course he has the right to all of these things but taking and not giving is allegedly a sign they did not give a hoot nor hollar about the Villages in the first place. If as it is alleged that a person who lives outside of the Villages is now the one in total control of the Village entertainment and this was given up by the Developer without any assurance of basic protection against an abuses then faith has been totally lost and The Villages are essentially a new type of community for over 55's.
Those who mock the ones that are concerned with the shut down of Parades are the same ones who will scream like a stuffed pig when they lose their favorite entertainment.
NET: These are very broad issues and deserve not only attention by all but
also appropriate reactions when the policies are implemented against The
Village residents.

Pennbf...that is how business is run. The businesses DON'T HAVe to rent here. AND if I owned The Villages, I wouldn't share with outside realtors. Only the outside realtors are beefing about that..not most of us residents.

No one on this forum that I can think of is mocking people who grieve the loss of parades, but this poll of people who post on this forum shows that well over half won't miss the parades. It well may be that the rest of the people are really upset about this, but I haven't heard it from the people I know. But I am often wrong.

Parades? Who wants them? Would not miss them.

I just don't see that AGAINST is the word I would use here in your quote. "These are very broad issues and deserve not only attention by all but
also appropriate reactions when the policies are implemented against The
Village residents."

And I don't see that the Morses " TAKE and not give" or "don't reinvest the profits back into The Villages." or " don't give a hoot or holler about The Villages in the first place".

But what if all you say is 100 per cent true. So far no other entity has come up with anything as good as this...not by a long shot..So if Gary Morse is really Attilla the Hun...This old lady still thinks he is smart as can be and she is glad he built The Villages so she could spend this part of her life here.

[Warren Kiefer]

[quote=graciegirl;589656]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

It it were not for me and other Villages residents, there would be no developer. This area would still be a cattle farm.[/QUOTe

How so?

Simple,none of us would be here.