[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

Well 2B.

I will say this about that. I am not drawn to any organization where negativity is paramount. I don't see much positive from POA's advocates on this forum.

Xavier had a thoughtful post and so did Rubicon but then we got the same old gloom and doom from the same old people.

WHAT do you see around you? What do you experience here day to day?

WHERE ELSE WOULD OR COULD it be better than this?

Pass the popcorn. Got a Rolaids on ya?

[quirky3]

Getting back to the poll results....observing that (as of right now) 72% of the respondents have joined or plan to join the POA; 28% have not joined and do not plan to join. Interesting.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Getting back to the poll results....observing that (as of right now) 72% of the respondents have joined or plan to join the POA; 28% have not joined and do not plan to join. Interesting.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

You think there are hanging chads?

[quirky3]

I like that you can see who voted in each category. Makes it seem like a pretty realistic result within that voting population.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Well 2B.

I will say this about that. I am not drawn to any organization where negativity is paramount. I don't see much positive from POA's advocates on this forum.

Xavier had a thoughtful post and so did Rubicon but then we got the same old gloom and doom from the same old people.

WHAT do you see around you? What do you experience here day to day?

WHERE ELSE WOULD OR COULD it be better than this?

Pass the popcorn. Got a Rolaids on ya?

After reading a few of the previous rants (before they were deleted) I have the feeling of being personally attacked and insulted by some of the statements made just because I support the POA. I have to wonder why anyone would think they have the right to do this especially since they certainly would fit in to the same old people group mentioned above as well. Don't like the POA don't join it, don't like the posts, don't read them, but the negative accusations being made are uncalled for and certainly are more negative toward the POA than anything they put out. Maybe the rainbows are just a little brighter in Laurel Valley than in some of the other areas but my account in my post is of my personal dealings with the Morse Empire and it was clear it was all about the money. I was basically treated like a nobody and brushed off by the Village Machine in my efforts to right a wrong to myself and that had been going on for years and only the certainty of a pending law suit being filed finally got their attention in the end. They finally did the right thing after 9 months of denying there was anything being done wrong. Janet Tutt, David Miles, The VCDD Attorney, Jennifer Morse Parr, and finally Gary Moyer were all involved in the process which eventually required the refunding of hundreds of thousands of dollars of overcharged bond interest to residents by the VCDD..The Villages is just another big business making all the money they can which is totally fine as long as it is done legally, honestly, and ethically. They are no better and no worse than any other big business and certainly warrant being watched. It is not a wonderland that suddenly appeared but was developed over time a little bit at a time and was paid for by the people that leased property, bought homes, and paid the fees, nothing was done for free. The profits were good and people wanted to buy the homes so it grew and continues to grow for the same reasons. Residents and businesses pay for it all.

Many residents have worked hard many years in one field or another and have done great things with many accomplishments but I did not see where it was even remotely relevant to post it on a thread only asking if you were or were not a member of the POA.

The POA has been there to correct problems that arose and it would be almost impossible to address a problem in a positive light as they would only be ignored. Some think it is possible only because they have never dealt with the business end of this land of OZ except to write a check to them..trying to get something changed or corrected that costs the developer a dollar is a totally different ballgame. As with a lot of things it is easy to condemn the POA until you have a serious problem with something they have addressed and then you'll want to go to them for help.

To these residents below, I hope you never have a problem, such as roofing shingles, siding, AC line set failures or anything in post # 50. You would have been up a creek without a paddle without the efforts of the POA.

I will never join
BobAllen1290, Bonny, Bucco, golf2140, golf4me, graciegirl, Mallory, Peachie, redwitch, telder, Thnonne

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

After reading a few of the previous rants (before they were deleted) I have the feeling of being personally attacked and insulted by some of the statements made just because I support the POA. I have to wonder why anyone would think they have the right to do this especially since they certainly would fit in to the same old people group mentioned above as well. Don't like the POA don't join it, don't like the posts, don't read them, but the negative accusations being made are uncalled for and certainly are more negative toward the POA than anything they put out. Maybe the rainbows are just a little brighter in Laurel Valley than in some of the other areas but my account in my post is of my personal dealings with the Morse Empire and it was clear it was all about the money. I was basically treated like a nobody and brushed off by the Village Machine in my efforts to right a wrong to myself and that had been going on for years and only the certainty of a pending law suit being filed finally got their attention in the end. They finally did the right thing after 9 months of denying there was anything being done wrong. Janet Tutt, David Miles, The VCDD Attorney, Jennifer Morse Parr, and finally Gary Moyer were all involved in the process which eventually required the refunding of hundreds of thousands of dollars of overcharged bond interest to residents by the VCDD..The Villages is just another big business making all the money they can which is totally fine as long as it is done legally, honestly, and ethically. They are no better and no worse than any other big business and certainly warrant being watched. It is not a wonderland that suddenly appeared but was developed over time a little bit at a time and was paid for by the people that leased property, bought homes, and paid the fees, nothing was done for free. The profits were good and people wanted to buy the homes so it grew and continues to grow for the same reasons. Residents and businesses pay for it all.

Many residents have worked hard many years in one field or another and have done great things with many accomplishments but I did not see where it was even remotely relevant to post it on a thread only asking if you were or were not a member of the POA.

The POA has been there to correct problems that arose and it would be almost impossible to address a problem in a positive light as they would only be ignored. Some think it is possible only because they have never dealt with the business end of this land of OZ except to write a check to them..trying to get something changed or corrected that costs the developer a dollar is a totally different ballgame. As with a lot of things it is easy to condemn the POA until you have a serious problem with something they have addressed and then you'll want to go to them for help.

To these residents below, I hope you never have a problem, such as roofing shingles, siding, AC line set failures or anything in post # 50. You would have been up a creek without a paddle without the efforts of the POA.

I will never join
BobAllen1290, Bonny, Bucco, golf2140, golf4me, graciegirl, Mallory, Peachie, redwitch, telder, Thnonne

How can we see who voted? I thought it was anonymous. Will you publish all results please?

I think we NEED a watchdog organization, but I don't like the rants and attacking style in SOME of the POA newsletters. Maybe new blood would bring it to a more palatable style for some of us. OR maybe someone will start a NEW one.

Handyman posted on here about the AC water lines problems according to him was not an issue that the POA helped much with. He investigated and found the answers by himself if I remember correctly.

HVAC Issue

The shingles were a problem by the manufacturer, Owens Corning, not by the builder.

The reason for the POA is an excellent one. I think they try. I just don't like a lot of things they choose as issues, such as The Parades and and how they present these issues. It is good to have them, but sometimes there aren't issues but the paper still comes out.

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How can we see who voted? I thought it was anonymous. Will you publish all results please?

I think it is how thee OP sets up the poll. Go to the poll and click on the number on the right hand side and it will show the responders.

This option should probably be removed to protect the innocent.

Z

[Moderator]

All polls should be anonymous. We will see if the software can be modified to take away the public results option. For now, it has been changed to anonymous.

Moderator

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How can we see who voted? I thought it was anonymous. Will you publish all results please?

I think we NEED a watchdog organization, but I don't like the rants and attacking style in SOME of the POA newsletters. Maybe new blood would bring it to a more palatable style for some of us. OR maybe someone will start a NEW one.

Handyman posted on here about the AC water lines problems according to him was not an issue that the POA helped much with. He investigated and found the answers by himself if I remember correctly.

HVAC Issue

The shingles were a problem by the manufacturer, Owens Corning, not by the builder.

The reason for the POA is an excellent one. I think they try. I just don't like a lot of things they choose as issues, such as The Parades and and how they present these issues. It is good to have them, but sometimes there aren't issues but the paper still comes out.

""They have NEVER shown up at Crispers when I was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".""

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

""they have never shown up at crispers when i was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".""

huh?

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

huh?

Taken from previous post
What motivates some posters?

All of us have read posts on this forum from posters who always seem to have a chip on their shoulders at best and seem downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel at worst.

They rarely have an avatar or a clue as to who they are, whether they live here, or why they seem so ANGRY.

In your opinion, what motivates them?

How should we respond?....if at all?

If you try to say anything, they usually say that people are bullies and try to flame them...when in truth is the things they post are so angry making so many times, it is hard to ignore them.

They have NEVER shown up at Crispers when I was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".

I am not talking about disagreeing, I am talking about stirring the pot.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How can it be good? It IS good. If you want to see a mess, turn the running of this place over to the general population. I know of what I speak.

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

After reading a few of the previous rants (before they were deleted) I have the feeling of being personally attacked and insulted by some of the statements made just because I support the POA. I have to wonder why anyone would think they have the right to do this especially since they certainly would fit in to the same old people group mentioned above as well. Don't like the POA don't join it, don't like the posts, don't read them, but the negative accusations being made are uncalled for and certainly are more negative toward the POA than anything they put out. Maybe the rainbows are just a little brighter in Laurel Valley than in some of the other areas but my account in my post is of my personal dealings with the Morse Empire and it was clear it was all about the money. I was basically treated like a nobody and brushed off by the Village Machine in my efforts to right a wrong to myself and that had been going on for years and only the certainty of a pending law suit being filed finally got their attention in the end. They finally did the right thing after 9 months of denying there was anything being done wrong. Janet Tutt, David Miles, The VCDD Attorney, Jennifer Morse Parr, and finally Gary Moyer were all involved in the process which eventually required the refunding of hundreds of thousands of dollars of overcharged bond interest to residents by the VCDD..The Villages is just another big business making all the money they can which is totally fine as long as it is done legally, honestly, and ethically. They are no better and no worse than any other big business and certainly warrant being watched. It is not a wonderland that suddenly appeared but was developed over time a little bit at a time and was paid for by the people that leased property, bought homes, and paid the fees, nothing was done for free. The profits were good and people wanted to buy the homes so it grew and continues to grow for the same reasons. Residents and businesses pay for it all.

Many residents have worked hard many years in one field or another and have done great things with many accomplishments but I did not see where it was even remotely relevant to post it on a thread only asking if you were or were not a member of the POA.

The POA has been there to correct problems that arose and it would be almost impossible to address a problem in a positive light as they would only be ignored. Some think it is possible only because they have never dealt with the business end of this land of OZ except to write a check to them..trying to get something changed or corrected that costs the developer a dollar is a totally different ballgame. As with a lot of things it is easy to condemn the POA until you have a serious problem with something they have addressed and then you'll want to go to them for help.

To these residents below, I hope you never have a problem, such as roofing shingles, siding, AC line set failures or anything in post # 50. You would have been up a creek without a paddle without the efforts of the POA.

I will never join
BobAllen1290, Bonny, Bucco, golf2140, golf4me, graciegirl, Mallory, Peachie, redwitch, telder, Thnonne

Advogado and You have it right on the mark. But you both must realize when people are so entrenched in their thinking and not subjective to listening to any rational reasoning, they will never change. I am asking those above to tell me where they are purchasing their rose colored glasses, I have been looking for a pair for years, it would be fun to see things differently than they really are.. I am sure one of those persons above have several pair.

[Moderator]

Too many personal and off topic replies on this thread.

The summary poll results should give the OP the answer he/see was seeking.

Thread closed.