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Old 11-11-2019, 08:06 PM
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The POA acts more as “political organization” where as the VHA is more of a service organization supporting the residents. They both have their positives, but I am not a fan of the POA.
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I will probably end up joining both. For now I just read the POA info online but I'm not a member.
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One is a cheering section, the other is a nit picking league--neither will benefit the individual homeowner--just be happy we're not controlled by a real HOA/POA--or a bunch of condo commandoes
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The POA acts more as “political organization” where as the VHA is more of a service organization supporting the residents. They both have their positives, but I am not a fan of the POA.
Actually, the VHA is developer backed and supports the developer whereas the POA supports the residents.
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Actually, the VHA is developer backed and supports the developer whereas the POA supports the residents.
Actually, when you have been here as long as we have, and experienced life here and observe it close hand, day to day, year in and year out, and see how things are maintained, repaired, painted, replaced and kept nice, and how things are run, you may think as I do;

That the developers, the very quiet Morse family, though wealthy and successful, still works diligently to support the residents.

I cannot think of any place, anywhere, better run, and available for people of broad financial means to enjoy life.

It looks to be another beautiful day in The Villages.
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Actually, when you have been here as long as we have, and experienced life here and observe it close hand, day to day, year in and year out, and see how things are maintained, repaired, painted, replaced and kept nice, and how things are run, you may think as I do;

That the developers, the very quiet Morse family, though wealthy and successful, still works diligently to support the residents.

I cannot think of any place, anywhere, better run, and available for people of broad financial means to enjoy life.

It looks to be another beautiful day in The Villages.
Well said, and I certainly agree.

I have only been here a short time, but am looking forward to the future.

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I went to the gov IRS web page for 990s (tax form for non-profit organisations). For 2017 The VHA had Gross receipts of $95,588 (Schedule G, line 1) and Other direct expenses of $38,443 (line 10) (no detail). Net income summary $32,823 (line 11).

I just wonder why there is no detail of the $38,443.
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It is interesting as to how things can be distorted and lead to confusion on facts. It is true that $40M is being spent to improve the Village BUT the source is avoided. The $40M is the result of the Paradise Rec Center being ignored while it ran terribly down. When asked to fix it the Developer said no money was put aside and could not repair it. POA at the time sued the Developer to force him to repair the wear and tear. Court agreed that he must fix and fined him $40M which is still being spent to fix things in the villages. Out of this the Developer became angry and formed the HOA as a punishment for forcing him to repair the Rec Center and losing the court case. An arguement you will hear is that in the decision of the court case 4 POA members were awarded $50K per.That is true The one being a critic of this will not add that each of the 4 put up their own money at risk for the suit and the Judge provided this as a result of their time to sue and risk their own money for the residents. Net: HOA formed as punishment for challenging Developer and owe their allegiance to the Developer and the POA to the residents. That is the history of the two..
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It is interesting as to how things can be distorted and lead to confusion on facts. It is true that $40M is being spent to improve the Village BUT the source is avoided. The $40M is the result of the Paradise Rec Center being ignored while it ran terribly down. When asked to fix it the Developer said no money was put aside and could not repair it. POA at the time sued the Developer to force him to repair the wear and tear. Court agreed that he must fix and fined him $40M which is still being spent to fix things in the villages. Out of this the Developer became angry and formed the HOA as a punishment for forcing him to repair the Rec Center and losing the court case. An arguement you will hear is that in the decision of the court case 4 POA members were awarded $50K per.That is true The one being a critic of this will not add that each of the 4 put up their own money at risk for the suit and the Judge provided this as a result of their time to sue and risk their own money for the residents. Net: HOA formed as punishment for challenging Developer and owe their allegiance to the Developer and the POA to the residents. That is the history of the two..
I lived here then. I saw nothing wrong with Paradise rec center at that time and watched them maintain Odell Rec Center with new paint and power washing every year with my own eyes. I know this because at that time our property abutted Odell. We were smaller than and many people went to Paradise to art and to play cards. I still do occasionally.
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It is interesting as to how things can be distorted and lead to confusion on facts. It is true that $40M is being spent to improve the Village BUT the source is avoided. The $40M is the result of the Paradise Rec Center being ignored while it ran terribly down. When asked to fix it the Developer said no money was put aside and could not repair it. POA at the time sued the Developer to force him to repair the wear and tear. Court agreed that he must fix and fined him $40M which is still being spent to fix things in the villages. Out of this the Developer became angry and formed the HOA as a punishment for forcing him to repair the Rec Center and losing the court case. An arguement you will hear is that in the decision of the court case 4 POA members were awarded $50K per.That is true The one being a critic of this will not add that each of the 4 put up their own money at risk for the suit and the Judge provided this as a result of their time to sue and risk their own money for the residents. Net: HOA formed as punishment for challenging Developer and owe their allegiance to the Developer and the POA to the residents. That is the history of the two..
Thank you for providing “the rest of the story” — which I already knew but now others can, too.

I have to think, or hope, that the Case of the Rotting Rec Center will have a continuing positive effect on maintenance of the whole place as TV moves farther away from its beginnings.

We got a brand new roof, at no cost to us, because the POA was diligent in working “with” (ahem) the developer when houses in part of the LSL section were found to have a bad run of shingles.

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It is interesting as to how things can be distorted and lead to confusion on facts. It is true that $40M is being spent to improve the Village BUT the source is avoided. The $40M is the result of the Paradise Rec Center being ignored while it ran terribly down. When asked to fix it the Developer said no money was put aside and could not repair it. POA at the time sued the Developer to force him to repair the wear and tear. Court agreed that he must fix and fined him $40M which is still being spent to fix things in the villages. Out of this the Developer became angry and formed the HOA as a punishment for forcing him to repair the Rec Center and losing the court case. An arguement you will hear is that in the decision of the court case 4 POA members were awarded $50K per.That is true The one being a critic of this will not add that each of the 4 put up their own money at risk for the suit and the Judge provided this as a result of their time to sue and risk their own money for the residents. Net: HOA formed as punishment for challenging Developer and owe their allegiance to the Developer and the POA to the residents. That is the history of the two..
Except not all of this is true. Yes the developer was sued and was orders to set aside funds for maintenance and upkeep of the recreation facilities. Out of this was the creation of the AAC. The VHA was formed and chartered in 1990/1991.
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Except not all of this is true. Yes the developer was sued and was orders to set aside funds for maintenance and upkeep of the recreation facilities. Out of this was the creation of the AAC. The VHA was formed and chartered in 1990/1991.
AND...please help me here Mleeja, The AAC is a different sort of thing than the rest of The Villages, right??? The AAC sort of got "powers" to make decisions about their area that are different than the rest of The Villages? Exactly what area does the AAC cover?
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I went to the gov IRS web page for 990s (tax form for non-profit organisations). For 2017 The VHA had Gross receipts of $95,588 (Schedule G, line 1) and Other direct expenses of $38,443 (line 10) (no detail). Net income summary $32,823 (line 11).

I just wonder why there is no detail of the $38,443.
I read a lot of Form 990's on charitynavigator.org. Sometimes you can get some useful information, but often they are just gobbledygook.
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I've been here almost 18yrs. and am very thankful for the hard work of the POA .. yes TV is a great place to live and yes for the most part the developer does a great job.. BUT remember 1 thing they are here to make $$$.. the POA would have never had to been formed if the VHA would have stood up for the misappropriation of amenity fees ... The agreement also created a resident-controlled "Amenity Authority Committee" that will have a louder voice in the use of amenity fees.

The AAC was a big deal back then where we as residents finally had a voice as to what we wanted done and not what the developer dictated

below is an article from the Orlando Sentinel


Villages settles lawsuit, will fund $40 million in recreation upgrades
Article Courtesy of The Orlando Sentinel
By Stephen Hudak
Published Match 9, 2008
THE VILLAGES - The powerful developer and corporations behind The Villages have agreed in a civil court settlement to pay $40 million over 13 years to cover improvements and repairs to recreation centers, swimming pools and other facilities that make the retirement community alluring.

The class-action lawsuit contended monthly amenity fees paid by every homeowner in the sprawling community of 70,000 residents had been misused by The Villages of Lake-Sumter Inc., the Village Center Community Development District and developer H. Gary Morse.

Under the settlement, the money will replenish depleted accounts used to finance facility improvements and pay pool monitors, after-hours golf ambassadors and Neighborhood Watch staff.

The lawsuit was prompted by residents like Elaine Dreidame, 64, who complained about mildew and mold in the ceiling tiles of the Paradise Recreation Center, where she played bridge twice a week.

Dreidame, who moved to the retirement community in 1999, figured "Florida's Friendliest Hometown" had money set aside to improve its oldest recreational facility.

Well, not enough, she found out.

The retired university administrator from Dayton, Ohio, grew more concerned as she began noting similar, subtle drop-offs in other services throughout the community that she affectionately calls "year-round adult summer camp."

The money is supposed to be used to maintain the golf courses, swimming pools and other comforts that make The Villages a desirable home for active, older adults.

Long-shot lawsuit

The lawsuit seemed unlikely to succeed, according to court records showing that a retired judge and six major law firms from Tallahassee to Miami declined to take it.

But the case concluded last week in Lake County, where Circuit Judge Lawrence Semento approved a settlement agreement that requires the developer to pay about $40 million over the next 13 years to replenish maintenance accounts.

The settlement also requires the defendants to pay $50,000 each to Dreidame and four other named plaintiffs and $6.7 million to the plaintiffs' brother-sister legal team, Dougald McMillan and Carol McMillan Anderson.

Carol Anderson said she took the case because she lives in The Villages.

Her brother, a practicing lawyer for 50 years, was best known for prosecuting organized crime figure Meyer Lansky.

Through their defense lawyers, Stephen Johnson and Archie Lowery, Morse and the other defendants denied any wrongdoing or misappropriation.

"[The developer] has looked at the settlement as an issue of what's good for the community," Johnson said Wednesday in court.

The settlement includes confidentiality and nondisparagement clauses, which prevent the parties from discussing the case or criticizing Morse or The Villages.

'David and Goliath'

Donald Maciejewski, a Jacksonville lawyer who has handled mass-plaintiff air-disaster cases, called the lawsuit a "true David and Goliath" case, citing the defendants' financial strength.

In an affidavit submitted to the judge to justify attorney fees, Maciejewski said the novelty and complexity of the case suggested that the plaintiffs' chances for success were "virtually zero."

He also pointed out that McMillan and Anderson were "a last resort."

Dreidame had said that if the siblings wouldn't take their case, "she was going to drop the issue . . . and get back to enjoying retirement," Maciejewski said.

Anderson praised Morse and his lawyers, saying the settlement proves they have the community's best interest at heart.

Tee-time limits

The settlement also includes other provisions that can be classified as uniquely The Villages, including limits on the number of tee times that can be reserved by the developer's sales staff for prospective customers.

The developer also will provide money to widen six miles of golf-cart paths to better accommodate bicyclists, joggers and roller-skaters.

The agreement also creates a resident-controlled "Amenity Authority Committee" that will have a louder voice in the use of amenity fees.
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