[MightyDog]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I doubt anyone thinks dumping tons of man-made chemicals into the environment is a good thing. The question is really: How much damage are we doing"?

The answer, like most things, is probably at neither extreme----somewhere between "Chicken Little, the sky is falling" and "No big deal, just ignore it".

Well, 100% exactly, Eagles. Why is that simple conclusion so difficult for so many?

Yes, we need some of these things in the modern era but, the questions of how much and what is too much should always be on the table. It should be an ongoing public discussion and learning process.

Here's another ugly one: Agent Orange - Wikipedia
Back in the 80s in the office where I worked, over the span of few years, three men in their 40s developed aggressive cancers and died. All three were Vietnam vets.

The office manager, a man about 10 - 12 years older than they, and who had not served in Vietnam, stated with amazement, "I can't help but wonder if their exposure to Agent Orange is what caused cancer in all of them. Cancer at that age is not typical."

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

F Pak.....remember when I responded to a similar post by you...you know the ‘West Side Story’ one? I hope the admins have seen I’ve learned!

We all learn! Every day, in every way, we are getting better and better (whether we know it or not! ).
🫠🙃🫨😃

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

‘Hydroponic’.....you can say it. Weed!

If you want. Actually, I was thinking "tomatoes ".

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MightyDog

Well, 100% exactly, Eagles. Why is that simple conclusion so difficult for so many?

Yes, we need some of these things in the modern era but, the questions of how much and what is too much should always be on the table. It should be an ongoing public discussion and learning process.

Here's another ugly one: Agent Orange - Wikipedia
Back in the 80s in the office where I worked, over the span of few years, three men in their 40s developed aggressive cancers and died. All three were Vietnam vets.

The office manager, a man about 10 - 12 years older than they, and who had not served in Vietnam, stated with amazement, "I can't help but wonder if their exposure to Agent Orange is what caused cancer in all of them. Cancer at that age is not typical."

And my brother, who served in DaNang and some jungle died of lung cancer at age 62. It must have been agent orange. Unless it was the 2 packs/day of Marlboro since age 16

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

If you want. Actually, I was thinking "tomatoes ".

Is that what they call it now?! Those silly ‘designers!

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And my brother, who served in DaNang and some jungle died of lung cancer at age 62. It must have been agent orange. Unless it was the 2 packs/day of Marlboro since age 16

You had me GE....you almost had me!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by E Cascade

So many times I read how residents just spray, pour, paint, spread glyphosate, roundup, and other horrible stuff all over the place. And then our animals walk over the walkways/grass and carry it into our homes on their paws, onto the furniture and beds....... Then they lick their paws to clean them. Does anyone think about alternatives? No wonder there is so much cancer, allergies, stiffness, etc. Anyone have better options for lawn care, cleaning, etc.? Thanks.

You can use vinegar to kill weeds. And there is a stronger version of regular vinegar which would kill them faster.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MightyDog

Oh my, I think I best not wade into the astonishing amount of denial on this thread. In the 21st century, I wouldn't have guessed it would still be running so deep.

--- Signed, Child whose father died (brain cancer) 20 years sooner than he should have because of the KNOWN (to management - DuPont) cancer-producing chemicals being pumped into the air and water where he worked.

Their complicity, eventually, resulted in one of the largest class action lawsuit in American history because 1000s were killed or seriously harmed by those known carcinogens.

(But, you all keep making fun of exposure to chemicals primarily policed only by the chemical producers themselves. SMH!)

I HAD a friend that died earlier than he probably should. He thought that his illness was the result of working for Motorola and being exposed to chemicals in cell phone batteries. No way to definitively prove it.

[MightyDog]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And my brother, who served in DaNang and some jungle died of lung cancer at age 62. It must have been agent orange. Unless it was the 2 packs/day of Marlboro since age 16

Well, in fact, it could have been both that contributed to his cancer, you see? Both are known carcinogens.

Which brings us back around to your prior point of "how much is too much" and what cumulative affects are created? It is really THE question.

I recall a quick story that ties into that. About 25 yrs ago, my brother had a terrible gnat problem in his finished basement. He tried many things, incl pro pest control, I think. Finally, he decided he had to fog the basement. (Those insect foggers are nasty but, they do work).

Not sure how many times he did it but, knowing him, he probably didn't follow the directions carefully. You have to cover all the furniture with sheets and set the thing off when you're leaving the house for at least 2 days. Upon returning, carefully gather the sheets and put them in a HOT wash cycle. Then, thoroughly vacuum or mop the entire floor, clean window sills, etc. You do all that b/c there is carcinogenic dust everywhere.

Well, some months after he did the fogging, his 4 year old dog got cancer, malignant, got the tumor removed but, it grew back and she died at 4 1/2 yrs old. Even he later said, "I wonder if it was the diazinon that was in those foggers." She probably inhaled plenty of that dust and maybe licked it off her paws if he didn't clean up well.

Hhmm, how about that: diazinon is now outlawed for residential use in the USA since 2004 because of human health risks. Diazinon - Wikipedia

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Normal

Nothing can be done. If you get your irrigation water from a retention pond, you get all sorts of chemicals from that pond, not just immediate run off. Roads adjacent carry water off the street into the ponds. Hence, when those sprinklers turn on for your lawn, you get it all. Your lawn is doused in street run off, pesticide etc and there is no control on what you get on that grass of yours.

Personally I think that in the last 10 years there is MORE fertilizer run-off into the smaller drainage lakes. This causes MORE of the underwater grass (like fresh water seaweed) to grow than I remember from 10 years ago. Has anyone else come to that conclusion ?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by shipping up to boston

who came here knowing it would always come back to ‘dog poop’!

me! 😉

[Pamelaripp]

We are still looking for more natural ways of keeping weed out of our lawn. I got tired of paying someone to use chemicals that are not good for pets or wildlife in to kill weeds in our landscaping. I have found a couple of solutions for weeds around our bushes, in driveway cracks and in pavered patios. Boiling water will kill weeds. I have a special teapot that heats up fast and is in an isulated carafe that won't burn me! Just don't put boiling water on anything you DO want to grow in your yard. The other thing I use is a long handled adjustable propane blow torch. Again, you can spot kill all of the weeds in your landscaped beds in a very short time. Just walk around your house once a week and spot burn them. They often times do not grow back. Be careful not to start a fire and keep a big bucket of water or a hose handy.

[HORNET]

Keep you animals off of my yard, I have a yard service and use the side walks

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Pamelaripp

We are still looking for more natural ways of keeping weed out of our lawn. I got tired of paying someone to use chemicals that are not good for pets or wildlife in to kill weeds in our landscaping. I have found a couple of solutions for weeds around our bushes, in driveway cracks and in pavered patios. Boiling water will kill weeds. I have a special teapot that heats up fast and is in an isulated carafe that won't burn me! Just don't put boiling water on anything you DO want to grow in your yard. The other thing I use is a long handled adjustable propane blow torch. Again, you can spot kill all of the weeds in your landscaped beds in a very short time. Just walk around your house once a week and spot burn them. They often times do not grow back. Be careful not to start a fire and keep a big bucket of water or a hose handy.

What do you use to keep weeds out of your lawn?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

What do you use to keep weeds out of your lawn?

The weeds ARE my lawn! All except the bare spots. Keep your dogs off my dirt and weeds. They disturb the fire ants, dag rabbit! 🤯🤬👺