[VApeople]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A MUCH better solution would be to REQUIRE voting as the Australians do.

What a horrible idea!!

In the United States of America, our ancestors had to fight for their independence, and we really cherish our freedoms. We don't accept leaders who want to boss us around.

Maybe countries that did not have to fight for their independence accept authoritarian leaders, but not Americans.

[frose]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

Did you vote?

None of anybody’s business.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by frose

None of anybody’s business.

Hmm. I simply cannot understand comments as this. Don’t take part in the poll. Period. Poll does not ID folks at all. Doesn’t ask why or who. Jeez.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

What a really stupid and juvenile comment. Just about everything of any importance in our lives is decided by someone you voted for!

We only have one leader and, as our court system has ruled, he does not have the power to boss us around, unless we serve in the military.

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

It's only a problem for people who lose.

Or have NO TRUST in the government...

[jebartle]

Curious, why would anyone not vote, hmmmmm! Sick? Disabled? Could mail, just wondering. None of my business, inquiring minds want to know, if you want to tell.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

It seems to me that all of this early voting and voting by mail has done nothing but cause problems.

Even if there haas been on impropriety, the impression that there has been has upset a lot of people.

I understand that it gives more people the opportunity to vote but I think that a better solution would be to hold election over one weekend. Twelve hours on Saturday and twelve hours on Sunday. If you can't fit that into your schedule, you just don't care enough.

There would have to be mail in ballots for people that are out of the country or away from their homes but those should have to be applied for and should be a minimal amount.

I could not agree more. How and Why we (the people) ever started all this in the name of "fairness", "inclusion" is beyond my understanding. It has NOT "improved" access or insured accuracy, if anything, has greatly expanded the possibility of errors, "lost" ballots, "unauthorized" individuals and/or vehicles transporting ballots, just an endless list of circumstances for incorrect counts. When I was young election DAY was just that, the DAY an election was held. The hours were long, before sunrise to after sunset, to accommodate working people who worked any shift. If anyone had a problem, it was EXPECTED and in some places REQUIRED, the an employer give an employee permission to leave a few minutes early, or arrive a few minutes late, without penalty, to support voting. The votes were counted that night. My parents both worked at elections. I always had to stay with my grandparents, or at the home of friends, because they worked the entire night counting, and recounting to make sure there were no errors. I would not be opposed to two days to vote, perhaps a Sunday and a Monday; one weekday and one weekend day, but all we have done is INCREASE the possibility of errors rather than prevent them. By the way, when I was young it was not "easy" to get permission to vote before election day. While there have always been, and always will be, people who are out of the country, in the hospital, etc. etc. but in the past people took into consideration trying NOT to schedule things on election day if possible. It seems it mean more to people "back then" than it does today (?)

[OhioBuckeye]

Did I vote, definitely!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by VApeople

What a horrible idea!!

In the United States of America, our ancestors had to fight for their independence, and we really cherish our freedoms. We don't accept leaders who want to boss us around.

Maybe countries that did not have to fight for their independence accept authoritarian leaders, but not Americans.

hmmm the Australians have been on our side through all our wars including Korea and Vietnam war where I lost a brave good man who died in Laos , they also suffered high casualty rates in both world wars, authoritive I think not ,probably more of a democracy then us

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

I could not agree more. How and Why we (the people) ever started all this in the name of "fairness", "inclusion" is beyond my understanding. It has NOT "improved" access or insured accuracy, if anything, has greatly expanded the possibility of errors, "lost" ballots, "unauthorized" individuals and/or vehicles transporting ballots, just an endless list of circumstances for incorrect counts. When I was young election DAY was just that, the DAY an election was held. The hours were long, before sunrise to after sunset, to accommodate working people who worked any shift. If anyone had a problem, it was EXPECTED and in some places REQUIRED, the an employer give an employee permission to leave a few minutes early, or arrive a few minutes late, without penalty, to support voting. The votes were counted that night. My parents both worked at elections. I always had to stay with my grandparents, or at the home of friends, because they worked the entire night counting, and recounting to make sure there were no errors. I would not be opposed to two days to vote, perhaps a Sunday and a Monday; one weekday and one weekend day, but all we have done is INCREASE the possibility of errors rather than prevent them. By the way, when I was young it was not "easy" to get permission to vote before election day. While there have always been, and always will be, people who are out of the country, in the hospital, etc. etc. but in the past people took into consideration trying NOT to schedule things on election day if possible. It seems it mean more to people "back then" than it does today (?)

I would argue that it means more to people today than it did back then and that's why additional resources are required.

When you were young about 70M people cast votes in the presidential election or about 40% of the population. In 2020, about 150M cast votes or about 50% of the population.

If we were to allow voting on only one day, what would you double from the time that you were young to enable everyone to vote? Would you have your parents work through two days counting and recounting? Would you have the voting locations open twice as many hours with twice the lines? Would you hire twice as many people and buy twice as much equipment in order to have twice as many locations?

Early voting eases the election-day numbers and allows more people access to a voting booth. The machines are just as secure the week before election day as they are on election day. The same process is used the week before election day as on election day. The only difference is the number on the calendar and the length of the lines.

Remember that there has been no evidence provided for most of the claims of "lost" ballots and the rest of the conspiracies. As far as "unauthorized" individuals transporting ballots - how many of those were technical violations made by well-meaning individuals? If I offered to take my neighbor's ballot to the drop box then technically that is a violation. There may have been some problems (five (?) Villagers voting twice, 20 released felons encouraged by the State to vote and then arrested) the magnitude of any proven problems was much to small to have an impact on the final results of the election.

The biggest problem with early voting is the possibility of learning something that would change your vote after you have already voted. That is a concern but to me it's less of a concern than disenfranchising voters with long lines.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A MUCH better solution would be to REQUIRE voting as the Australians do. In Australia, if you DON'T vote, you must pay a penalty in your yearly Federal tax form. So, I understand that they get close to 100% election participation. Now, that IS a country and a system that I could be proud of. That's a no-nonsense country!

I prefer a system where the voters must show knowledge of what the election is for before they are allowed to cast a vote.

[mikeycereal]

Lurkers: probably checking that you have one ballot and aren't voting 2x maybe? Maybe doing their job... I'm going in tomorrow and if anyone lurks near me I'll just hold it up and smile with thumb up. I really don't care other than checking who I want and putting it in the box.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I would absolutely trust the postal system to deliver the envelope with $100 back to me. I would be less trusting of the people working in the system who might recognize the content as a $100 bill.

I would absolutely trust the postal system to deliver the envelop with a mail-in ballot. I would also trust that the people working in the system couldn't care less about a mail-in ballot.

Hmmmm! I mailed a Rolex, pretty sure postal worker who was arrested at post office on historic side pawned it, so no, I don't trust post office.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I would absolutely trust the postal system to deliver the envelope with $100 back to me. I would be less trusting of the people working in the system who might recognize the content as a $100 bill.

I would absolutely trust the postal system to deliver the envelop with a mail-in ballot. I would also trust that the people working in the system couldn't care less about a mail-in ballot.

Originally Posted by jebartle

Hmmmm! I mailed a Rolex, pretty sure postal worker who was arrested at post office on historic side pawned it, so no, I don't trust post office.

A $100 bill they could recognize and put in their pocket. A Rolex they could recognize and pawn. A mail-in ballot they could recognize and...?

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I would argue that it means more to people today than it did back then and that's why additional resources are required.

When you were young about 70M people cast votes in the presidential election or about 40% of the population. In 2020, about 150M cast votes or about 50% of the population.

Let's say, in those days they didn't offer us BS, college tuition paid or that our Medicare and social security are in jeopardy if we vote for the other guy.