[graciegirl]

Although Villages Pl and I sometimes disagree on how he looks at medicine and health, I don't see any reason for name calling.

Villages Pl seems to me to be very, very concerned about the issues of health for all and particularly seniors.

The reason for the forum is to say how we think and feel and how we look at things. And to disagree if we see it another way.

I have not been successful in changing Villages Pl mind on how he looks at things, but no matter, I sense him to be a good person.

I think there has been way too much meanness lately.

Those who accuse others of bigotry frequently find the term thrown back on themselves.


big·ot·ry

   /ˈbɪgətri/ Show Spelled[big-uh-tree] Show IPA
noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.







Be calm and type.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Since it is hoped that the new medical centers will represent the very best in medical care, it may offer a unique opportunity to reward those who have demonstrated personal responsibility in taking care of their own health. This is what's needed to make it a true partnership between medical care and (personal) self-care.

Like anything else in life, opportunities are often limited. To get into college, you must apply and meet requirements. To get a job, you must apply. There won't be room for everyone in the new medical centers, so why not use it as a unique opportunity to REWARD those who can demonstrate a certain level of personal responsibility in their own healthcare.

Do you like this concept? If so, what should the requirements be?

Where does the determination of Personal Responsibility begin? How do we deal with the following issues in rationing health care?
use of alcohol, tobacco, legal and illegal drugs, tanning beds . failure to use sun block, stress injuries from running etc, trauma from activies like skydiving , and other sports injuries . Who determines what is the Personal Responsibility?
If one is injured while speeding , does he deserve care?

[Russ_Boston]

It is not the short term acute care costs that cripple our system. It is the long term chronic care. I'm not saying that anyone doesn't deserve care, they do. But if there are initiatives for those that go many years only seeing their primary care for check ups then I'm all for that. As a nurse for the past 3 years I see the same people coming back all the time. For many it was none of their own doing but still the costs are astronomical. If some are lucky enough to remain healthy (even if it's just dumb luck or great genes) then I have no issue with their costs being less.

[TOTV Team]

A prior post has been removed. Comments are to be directed at the topic and not a user please.

[Mudder]

Thank you Administrator, no one deserves that type of verbal bullying or abuse.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

How about if we use BMI in combination with the "electrical impedance" device?" If a person's body fat percentage is too high and has a BMI over 25 they will not qualify. If a third test is needed, they could measure the person's waist and wrist. Wrist size in inches X 4.55 equals ideal waist size.

Um... a waist is a terrible thing to mind.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Um... a waist is a terrible thing to mind.

You ain't right.

Please don't change.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Um... a waist is a terrible thing to mind.

[memason]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Um... a waist is a terrible thing to mind.

Damn....that's funny!

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Although Villages Pl and I sometimes disagree on how he looks at medicine and health, I don't see any reason for name calling.

Villages Pl seems to me to be very, very concerned about the issues of health for all and particularly seniors.

The reason for the forum is to say how we think and feel and how we look at things. And to disagree if we see it another way.

I have not been successful in changing Villages Pl mind on how he looks at things, but no matter, I sense him to be a good person.

I think there has been way too much meanness lately.

Those who accuse others of bigotry frequently find the term thrown back on themselves.


big·ot·ry

   /ˈbɪgətri/ Show Spelled[big-uh-tree] Show IPA
noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.







Be calm and type.

if the topic was one that would help seniors with health care why was its' basic 'concept' how to bar certain people from receiving medical care? As a 'concept' to improve medical care it would suggest ways to bar people from a medical practice?. mull that over a bit...oh and please excuse me for answering an off topic post!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by looneycat

if the topic was one that would help seniors with health care why was its' basic 'concept' how to bar certain people from receiving medical care? As a 'concept' to improve medical care it would suggest ways to bar people from a medical practice. mull that over a bit...oh and please excuse me for answering an off topic post!

Looney. A forum is a place to talk about things. To type about things.

We can choose venting or presenting arguments. We may try to see where someone is coming from and what point they are trying to make and to think of a way to phrase the way we think so as to change minds.

We can state how we look at things. We can differ, we can agree and we can disagree. We may try to keep an open mind. We should try not to be impatient. May be a good idea to try to use words in such a way as to teach, not anger. Probably do better to say what we think without disrespecting another's views by name calling.

Some of us can do all that better than others.

PTurner and Bill of Bill-n-Brillo always manage to say it nice, say it smart, say it funny, say it respectfully. I yearn to be just like them.
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That is just what I think. I like and listen to plenty of folks who don't agree with that or anything I think.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Mudder

villagerPL, just curious, do you do Yoga? You strike me as someone who would be a participant. I do Yoga several times a week and gain much from it.

I don't do Yoga. I never got interested in it but I suppose it can be a good thing. I like to walk and I do some weight lifting. I have a gym membership. What's the benifit from doing Yoga? Is it to be relaxed and more physically fit?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Where does the determination of Personal Responsibility begin? How do we deal with the following issues in rationing health care?

I'm not for rationing health care. My suggestion was for the Villages Health Centers only. Being that the USF/Villages health alliance is an experimental project, I thought it would be interesting and informative to add the concept of a certain level responsibility on the part of patients. The doctors will be putting in their best effort, hopefully. So, I wonder what extra effort we will be willing to bring to the table. Should we expect the doctors to do it all?

Will we be saying the following to these doctors? "Here I am doc, I'm overweight because I eat too much of the wrong foods. As a result, I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol etc.. Now fix me. Give me some medications to cover up my symptoms." Is that a good doctor/patient relationship where the doctor is expected to do it all?

I chose weight because it's something that can be easily tested. The doctors themselves could decide on something else.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I'm not for rationing health care. My suggestion was for the Villages Health Centers only. Being that the USF/Villages health alliance is an experimental project, I thought it would be interesting and informative to add the concept of a certain level responsibility on the part of patients. The doctors will be putting in their best effort, hopefully. So, I wonder what extra effort we will be willing to bring to the table. Should we expect the doctors to do it all?

Will we be saying the following to these doctors? "Here I am doc, I'm overweight because I eat too much of the wrong foods. As a result, I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol etc.. Now fix me. Give me some medication to cover up my symptoms." Is that a good doctor/patient relationship where the doctor is expected to do it all?

I chose weight because it's something that can be easily tested. The doctors themselves could decide on something else.

so after I am 'accepted' by marcus welby and co., do I have to step on the ole BMI scale before entering so that when I slip over the limit it goes 'BEEP' and locks me out because I have been irresponsible? it is so easy to test. oh and would it beep if I fell to 10% because now I'm possibly at risk of as many problems as if I were over?

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Looney. A forum is a place to talk about things. To type about things.

We can choose venting or presenting arguments. We may try to see where someone is coming from and what point they are trying to make and to think of a way to phrase the way we think so as to change minds.

We can state how we look at things. We can differ, we can agree and we can disagree. We may try to keep an open mind. We should try not to be impatient. May be a good idea to try to use words in such a way as to teach, not anger. Probably do better to say what we think without disrespecting another's views by name calling.

Some of us can do all that better than others.

PTurner and Bill of Bill-n-Brillo always manage to say it nice, say it smart, say it funny, say it respectfully. I yearn to be just like them.
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That is just what I think. I like and listen to plenty of folks who don't agree with that or anything I think.

again , an off topic post, but I mean that in the nicest way!