[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by NY2TV

Something I have never understood is why the fee is $4 per person and not per cart. If the rationale of the fee is due to wear and tear of the cart paths, a 2nd person in a cart is not going to double the effect the cart has on the cart path.

I would assume that it is because they make $8 when they charge per person instead of only $4 when they charge per cart.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by NY2TV

Something I have never understood is why the fee is $4 per person and not per cart. If the rationale of the fee is due to wear and tear of the cart paths, a 2nd person in a cart is not going to double the effect the cart has on the cart path.

Would it help you if they charged $8 per cart??

Or $2 per tire??

[EviesGP]

I don't care about the math. Per Don's explanation, it's more of the principle. Everyone riding the Exec courses should pay for the wear and tear. If the District(s) are not getting any revenue from the Developer's Trail Fees, this should be corrected. For those doing the math, just realize how this gets compounded as we keep expanding in an exponential manner?

As for the CAP(formerly RA), I agree with the doc. They should pay for those passes. Of course, I have a very strong opinion about those individuals/privileges, as well. As a former Ambassador, I witnessed so many extreme violations, that I welcomed the new CAP process. Unfortunately, I now witness that this changed very little. I continue to see individuals driving ALL OVER the courses! Then, watch the individual get out of the cart, with very little effort. THAT, is what tears up these courses! NOT the damage to the greens! If that was the case, the walkers would be paying a fee, as well?! The upkeep of these courses will always be a no-win situation until they strictly enforce the policy(s)!

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by 2BoyDogs

If the trail fee is " free, " why do I have to write a check out each year to get it?

It is included with the priority membership fee.

[Jnukey]

In my case, it will not make sense to pay for the Priority membership unless the price is adjusted.
I only play the championship courses once a week if that so paying that much without the trail fee included doesn’t make sense for me even with all the other benefits

[Phpb2]

“Reasonable Accommodation” tags are now called Villages Course Access Pass ( CAP).
To qualify, one must have issued to them a valid Disabled Person parking placard.
I’m certain that the authorities deciding the Executive Course issue are fully aware of ADA implications should the disabled be charged a fee vs those walking with a pull cart!

[drcar]

Originally Posted by Phpb2

“Reasonable Accommodation” tags are now called Villages Course Access Pass ( CAP).
To qualify, one must have issued to them a valid Disabled Person parking placard.
I’m certain that the authorities deciding the Executive Course issue are fully aware of ADA implications should the disabled be charged a fee vs those walking with a pull cart!

You are comparing apples and oranges, having a cap card does NOT preclude charging a trail fee. If it did 30% of the golfers would not be paying trail fees.

[drcar]

Originally Posted by 2BoyDogs

If the trail fee is " free, " why do I have to write a check out each year to get it?

The trail fees are not free, one way or another you pay for them.

[Cardinal64]

In a meeting a couple years ago, we were told that the old agreement let The Developer keep the trail fee portion of the Priority fee as partial payment for all Villagers who use the tee time reservation system for the Executive Courses. We wanted a discounted Priority fee because we did not want a trail fee, but we're refused, and we're told it was mandatory for all Priority members, not optional. The Trail Fee includes payment to the Developer. It would be of interest to know how much ! The Priority fee should be reduced since it no longer includes the mandatory
Trail fee, but The Developer probably has outsmarted the CDD's again to pocket some more $$$. Also, can paid Priority members still have Trail access until their membership expires?

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by deanspringer

In a meeting a couple years ago, we were told that the old agreement let The Developer keep the trail fee portion of the Priority fee as partial payment for all Villagers who use the tee time reservation system for the Executive Courses. We wanted a discounted Priority fee because we did not want a trail fee, but we're refused, and we're told it was mandatory for all Priority members, not optional. The Trail Fee includes payment to the Developer. It would be of interest to know how much ! The Priority fee should be reduced since it no longer includes the mandatory
Trail fee, but The Developer probably has outsmarted the CDD's again to pocket some more $$$. Also, can paid Priority members still have Trail access until their membership expires?

As I asked previously, under the current system; do the development districts…..

Pay to use the tee time system?
Pay the marshals?
Pay for the carts that are at some of the executive courses?
Pay for the staff to work in the starters shacks?
Pay for the divot repair mixture?

I assume, the DD pay the developer for course maintenance?

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by deanspringer

In a meeting a couple years ago, we were told that the old agreement let The Developer keep the trail fee portion of the Priority fee as partial payment for all Villagers who use the tee time reservation system for the Executive Courses. We wanted a discounted Priority fee because we did not want a trail fee, but we're refused, and we're told it was mandatory for all Priority members, not optional. The Trail Fee includes payment to the Developer. It would be of interest to know how much ! The Priority fee should be reduced since it no longer includes the mandatory
Trail fee, but The Developer probably has outsmarted the CDD's again to pocket some more $$$. Also, can paid Priority members still have Trail access until their membership expires?

This is an interesting post however raises many questions in my mind.
1. What meeting and for what purpose ?
2. Who is we in "we were told"
3. What is the old agreement Vs new agreement (or are you referring to the new proposal).
4. Why would a trail fee be mandatory for priority members and not regular members
5. The telephone part of the tee time system is free, $8/mo for computer access. Everyone is at liberty to use the free part. Does any of the amenities fees from the AAC and PWAC support the system. If not why not ?

Maybe the developer is not such a bad monarch as being portrayed. Maybe we already had the aforementioned win / win. Developer offered a stipend for priority membership estimated to be 2% of Villagers and in return maintained (which is probably a sizable expense) the tee time system that benefits the overwhelming majority of Villagers. The increased revenue by the new proposal is estimated at $380K/year. If the AAC and PWAC are not paying into the tee time system how much would it cost us (AAC and PWAC) to develop and maintain a separate system if the developer says take a hike ?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by DaleDivine

Trail fee is NOT FREE. Golfing is FREE IF you walk the course.

Any amenities in villages is not free. We all pay monthly amenities fee. Maintaining golf courses big part of the fee. Trail fees way to generate extra money. And yes, for what we get it good deal. I agree the developer should be paying districts part of his priority membership fee, he sold his interest in districts when they paid full price for the district amenities.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Any amenities in villages is not free. We all pay monthly amenities fee. Maintaining golf courses big part of the fee. Trail fees way to generate extra money. And yes, for what we get it good deal. I agree the developer should be paying districts part of his priority membership fee, he sold his interest in districts when they paid full price for the district amenities.

Agreed but good luck getting that to happen.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Agreed but good luck getting that to happen.

Not going to get anything to happen. Just see it for what it is. We peon’s going to pay regardless.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Not going to get anything to happen. Just see it for what it is. We peon’s going to pay regardless.

True but this is still a great place to live