[Flyers999]

Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109

Easy way stop the wear and tear from the golf carts on the executive courses
KEEP THE CARTS ON THE CART PATH. If you can’t get from the path to the tee or green....play dominos

I'd be all for that as long as there was an exception for the handicapped.

I try to do that anyway. The only problem I have with it is carrying the sand bottle to fix the divots. Awkward.

How about this: Everyone except the handicapped must keep their carts on the cart paths. In addition, all divots will be fixed by the
ambassadors as well as ambassadors will.be required to rake all sand traps and line up all putts?

[OhioBuckeye]

Huh, sorry but what is Executive Trail Fees then?

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by mpcolonel

I just got my priority and it covers trail fees. Don’t know where you got that from

Have you not read the posts in this thread? When the agreement gets signed priority will no longer be a free pass on the Executive courses.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

Huh, sorry but what is Executive Trail Fees then?

Trail Fees: https://www.golfthevillages.com/exec...railfeeapp.pdf

[OhioBuckeye]

I kinda see what you’re talking about. In your attachment it says in fine print. (Includes Country Club pools AND Executive Trail Fee) So in your defense it doesn’t have a price. But in the comment about price increases it does say Includes Executive Trail Fee, but then again it doesn’t actually say anything about price increase. So it wouldn’t surprise me that TV would start a separate trail fee. TV is getting older & maintenance would be more frequent. But I would think starting a trail fee would hurt tee times. So your attachment isn’t very informative!

[dennisgavin]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

If carts create significant wear and tear on the executive courses, then we should try to reduce the wear and tear. The executive courses should provide some incentive for people to walk the courses. In order to encourage walkers, there should be a program that for every 10 rounds that you walk, you get a free play at a Championship course. This would also reduce pollution from carts.

many exec courses have no place to park a car, Are we to carry our clubs for miles to play/walk a course?

[NY2TV]

Something I have never understood is why the fee is $4 per person and not per cart. If the rationale of the fee is due to wear and tear of the cart paths, a 2nd person in a cart is not going to double the effect the cart has on the cart path.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I kinda see what you’re talking about. In your attachment it says in fine print. (Includes Country Club pools AND Executive Trail Fee) So in your defense it doesn’t have a price. But in the comment about price increases it does say Includes Executive Trail Fee, but then again it doesn’t actually say anything about price increase. So it wouldn’t surprise me that TV would start a separate trail fee. TV is getting older & maintenance would be more frequent. But I would think starting a trail fee would hurt tee times. So your attachment isn’t very informative!

The attachment is the current system and prices. Once the agreement is finalized and signed some things will change.

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

Over the last few months there has been more clarity brought to this situation and the inclusion of the trail fee in the priority membership.

First, the inclusion of the executive course trail fee was for the priority membership holder only, if the rest of the household wanted the executive course trail fee it was sold at 75% of the normal rate.

The inclusion of the executive course trail fee with the priority membership was a holdover from the days when the developer owned all the courses - championship and executive, the majority of executive courses are now owned by the SLCDD and the VCCDD.

The inclusion of the executive course trail fee with the priority membership derived no benefit to the budgets that maintain the executive courses. No revenue was received from the developer for these included trail fees. For lack of a better term, they were a gift from the VCCDD and the SLCDD to the developer and the residents who purchased the priority membership. The only time there is revenue received related to the priority membership is when the reduced trail fee is paid for the remainder of the household.

The only people who are benefiting from the current agreement are the minority that are receiving the "free" trail fee, the remainder, the rest of the residents, are having to (unjustly?) carry their costs associated with executive course play.

Since the developer is not paying for the inclusion of the executive course trail fee with the priority membership, there will not be a change in the priority membership rate, they have made that perfectly clear. They are not profiting from either the current or proposed Trail Fee policy.

The SLCDD and VCCDD are governmental bodies, there is no justification or requirement to provide preferential treatment to any one resident, group of residents, or business entity.

If the AAC wants to have additional public discussion on this topic, all of the information should be made crystal clear before the few who are benefiting from the current agreement start to vent their rage. If the AAC decides not to change the current policy as proposed, they should then be ready to justify and explain to the rest of the non-priority membership residents that are paying a trail fee 1) why they should continue to give this service away 2) why the non-priory residents should continue to cover the costs and 3) why non-priority resident should not also receive either free or a discounted trail fee. There is no reasonable justification for any of these.

Executive golf is still free, if you walk the course, with or without your own hand cart, you pay nothing to play. The trail fee is a convenience fee to allow you to use your own cart on the course and cover the additional wear and tear on the course these carts bring. The costs associated with cart wear are significant and were part of the justification of the change a year ago in the Reasonable Accommodations policy.

With respect to the rest of the proposed agreement, these are needed changes. Revenue sharing of trail fees is now clearly defined. The cost of providing the on-line service will now be shared based on a benefit received based calculation method - the developer will pay a higher percentage of the actual costs. The ability to pay your trail fee and/or priority membership fees on-line will finally be available. An avenue will now be available to make changes to the on-line reservation system - perhaps we can now move into the 21 centry and have a phone app to make reservations instead of having to rely on a web page. Trail fees will include a CPI adjustment to help cover the continued increasing costs of the additional course maintenance.

[collie1228]

Originally Posted by crash

You obviously don’t live on a golf course if you think people stay on the golf path. Most do but everyday I see people driving off the path more so if it is raining. Yes they play in the rain and at night after dark and for free after the starter shack is closed.

So what you are saying is that we have to pay trail fees to cover costs incurred by people who don't follow the rules? Sounds illogical to me.

[Papa_lecki]

Are the Marshalls employed (paid) by the “developer” or the districts? Will the districts need to hire Marshall’s for the executive courses?

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Are the Marshalls employed (paid) by the “developer” or the districts? Will the districts need to hire Marshall’s for the executive courses?

[2BoyDogs]

If the trail fee is " free, " why do I have to write a check out each year to get it?

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by collie1228

So what you are saying is that we have to pay trail fees to cover costs incurred by people who don't follow the rules? Sounds illogical to me.

Yep, it's true. You have to pay rising costs in stores that have lots of thefts. If people followed the rules and didn't steal, costs would be less in the stores.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by 2BoyDogs

If the trail fee is " free, " why do I have to write a check out each year to get it?

Please read & learn.

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by 2BoyDogs

If the trail fee is " free, " why do I have to write a check out each year to get it?

Trail fee is NOT FREE. Golfing is FREE IF you walk the course.