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Old 02-21-2020, 08:04 PM
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LOL I did not read the article. Did you ever consider that when you expect to be insulted that your opinion might be a little off base to begin with? There are plenty of exit routes from The Villages as well as the State of Florida!
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:40 PM
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LOL I did not read the article. Did you ever consider that when you expect to be insulted that your opinion might be a little off base to begin with? There are plenty of exit routes from The Villages as well as the State of Florida!
Actually I am quite happy with my own opinions. I expected to be insulted because there is always some (insert your own expletive here) that feels required to insult and invite anyone that is not 100% happy with TV operations to leave. Seen this circus a few times.

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Old 02-21-2020, 08:43 PM
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Morris Blvd. in Spanish Springs needs help with the popular expansion yet all needs are going to the new development area only. Traffic is outrageous and so dangerous for golf carts. Morris needs to have a separate golf cart path and a tunnel by the 466 gate. But no, they just build another golf cart bridge over Rt. 44. For what? To bring them into the Brownwood small center? Are TV residents funding this? Let's get the developer to fix what is broken first.
The developer is nobody's rich uncle who's promised to take care of your every need. It's not the developers responsibility or problem, that all now belongs to the County to address and maintain.

Once the county owns the road, regardless of who originally built it, it is their to maintain alone and expand as needed to carry any additional traffic that may result form additional development that they approve. These are the earmarks for the impact fees and county property taxes we all pay.

The developer has no responsibility or obligation to go back to any area that's completed and do more. There was no preternatural wet-nurse clause in your home sale contract. Many in the norther part of The Villages feel the developer has abandoned them. No, they've done their job, sold their properties, and have moved on; if you want anything else now you have to go to the local government. That would be your CDD or the County and be prepared to open you wallet and wake up to the real world.

Let me put it another way. Tomorrow, in the mail, you will receive a letter from the person who bought your previous home 5, 10, or 15 years ago, take your pick, when you moved to The Villages. In their letter they are demanding that you now fix the roof that is leaking, since you built the home you must therefore be forever responsible for it. They also demand that you now install a pool, because their family has grown and their children want one. How do you respond to this letter? I laugh at mine and feed it to the shredder. How do you think the developer reacts to the demands to build more amenities or widen-fix roads? Pretty much the same.

What's broken outside of what they own isn't their problem. Who's paying for the bridges? Easy, it's part of the bonded infrastructure going in in the new CDDs, nobody north of SR44 is paying anything for it, the residents of CDD13 will pay for the bridges as a component of their bond.

I love living in our little bubble, but that doesn't mean I have forgotten, like many, how the real world still works.
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Morris Blvd. in Spanish Springs needs help with the popular expansion yet all needs are going to the new development area only. Traffic is outrageous and so dangerous for golf carts. Morris needs to have a separate golf cart path and a tunnel by the 466 gate. But no, they just build another golf cart bridge over Rt. 44. For what? To bring them into the Brownwood small center? Are TV residents funding this? Let's get the developer to fix what is broken first.
It is my understanding that the Developer owns the Championship golf courses and retail space (retail buildings in squares and retail space in Village owned retail centers) north of 44. That's it. Executive golf courses, common area maintenance, golf cart paths, etc. are maintained by the Districts. The Developer doesn't own it... So if you want any improvements the Districts will pay for it. So YOU will have to fix what is broken...
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Up north our community grew like crazy and the streets got crowded. The "place" was indeed in demand. When we finally decided to move we made a ton of money on the sale of the house. We stopped complaining.

Here in the Villages our friends built in The Preserves for $680k and it would go on the market today for $1.1m. Two and a half years. Is that the trade-off that we are juggling?

Good news - we're in demand. Bad news - its going to be bigger down in the south? Could not find the editorial referenced.
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I just read the Sun's editorial comment (saw it on Facebook) regarding the rapid expansion of TV. It is definitely worth reading and they don't pull punches.

I'm sure opinions will vary and I realize that the train is way too far down the tracks to stop or even slow. Never the less, I agree with every word of it.

Please don't bother to insult me just because you disagree with me. It will just roll off my back.
The water supply is not infinite so as the governors and water managers allow the uncheck development of homes and the extraction of millions of gallons of water a day to big corporations for export, we may find ourselves a bit on the dry side
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The water supply is not infinite so as the governors and water managers allow the uncheck development of homes and the extraction of millions of gallons of water a day to big corporations for export, we may find ourselves a bit on the dry side
You could, but according to the US Geological Survey, the Florida aqueduct is one of the largest in the world
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All opinion pieces are just that. That is why they are call opinion pieces.
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Actually I am quite happy with my own opinions. I expected to be insulted because there is always some (insert your own expletive here) that feels required to insult and invite anyone that is not 100% happy with TV operations to leave. Seen this circus a few times.

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Yep...dead-on!
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It is my understanding that the Developer owns the Championship golf courses and retail space (retail buildings in squares and retail space in Village owned retail centers) north of 44. That's it. Executive golf courses, common area maintenance, golf cart paths, etc. are maintained by the Districts. The Developer doesn't own it... So if you want any improvements the Districts will pay for it. So YOU will have to fix what is broken...
Close, but not precisely accurate. Exec's, common areas etc. are owned by One district. The VCCDD. The voting members of any district are the landowners within that district. The only landowner in the VCCDD is the developer. The VCCDD is the villages center community development district.
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It's simple, if TV don't build in all the places then someone else will. Guaranteed!!! Who would you want to build?? TV or another group who would not build the same way. It's still nicer than most places isn't it??
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I don't see it that way. Other folks that may build don't use Village assets.

I've stated before and will repeat here that the good news is that after all the bridges are complete and after a 4th town square is built TV will de facto become TV North and TV South. I will seldom have need to go to TV south. All TV assets will be stressed until that happens.
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It's simple, if TV don't build in all the places then someone else will. Guaranteed!!! Who would you want to build?? TV or another group who would not build the same way. It's still nicer than most places isn't it??
This is the problem with Florida, in general. They don't have much respect or regard for nature. It has no value to them, other than "how quickly they can strip it raw it and build retirement homes on it."

It's one (of several) reasons I don't like Florida. There are some things about Florida I like. But as a whole, I don't like the state.

In some states, there are land trusts - where the trust buys up the land, and prevents development on it. The trust serves as a conservation steward to ensure that nature is allowed to exist, unimpeded by government or anyone else.

I would like to see, five generations from now, kids who grow up knowing that "lakes" don't all smell nasty, are not all filled with "reclaimed water," and that weeds are part of what makes nature beautiful. I'd like for them to not need to go to a zoo to see the last living butterfly in the state. I'd like for them to know what trees look like when they're not pruned perfectly and precisely placed in their back yard. I'd like for them to know, and experience, the sights, sounds, smells of nature. This won't happen if we continue stripping the natural environment and replacing it with plaster houses and strip-malls.

"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot" is happening right here in the Villages. People older than I am, who have been living here for years already, know this song well and might even have protested against replacing nature with industry, in the 60's. The sad thing is that they're either a) not vocal here or b) have changed their minds.

Joni Mitchell and others are people I admired, growing up. It's just very sad to see that their message is obscured in the Villages - perhaps on purpose.
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This is the problem with Florida, in general. They don't have much respect or regard for nature.

But yet you live here.


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A member of Mensa. What a great reply. How long did it take you to think of that. Wow All roads leave out of Florida.
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