[Jdmiata]

Originally Posted by rubicon

OBXNana: The HOA is funded by the Developer for the Developer So how can it be called a homeowner association? They may be polar opposites but they are not polar opposite homeowner associations. So if there is a concern stemming from the developer side how do you suppose and whom do you suppose will speak up for the residents? In fact if the HOA ever did oppose the developer he pull funding. Also check and see where HOA presidents go after they served in the VHA. They all have key/strategic spots that have a direct affect on the developer's business.

You may want to look a little closer

I opine others can decide

Very well said , rubicon. The HOA is not a homeowner association.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by PennBF

How many know that the members of the POA Board at the time PUT UP THEIR OWN MONEY TO SUPPORT THE CASE AGAINST WHAT WAS GOING ON. THEY PUT THEIR OWN MONEY AT RISK TO HELP PROTECT THE RESIDENTS. HOW MANY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. THEY STOOD A SIGNIFICANT RISK OF LOSING AND THEY WOULD HAVE LOST THEIR MONEY WHILE TRYING TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS. IN ADDITION THEY HAD LIMITED FUNDS WHILE I THINK IT COULD BE SAID THE DEVELOPER ESSENTIALLY HAD UNLIMITED FUNDS TO FIGHT THE CASE. WHO WON?? THE RESIDENTS AND IT IS A REAL SIN TO HEAR ANYONE CHALLENGE THE POA'S DEDICATION TO DOING WHAT IS RIGHT REGARDLESS WHERE THE BALL LANDS. THEY ARE ONE HECK OF A DEDICATED GROUP AND WE ARE ALL MUCH BETTER OFF BY THEIR BEING HERE FOR US.

Did they get all their money back - and then some?

[Halibut]

... the fact remains that the POA is the only defense residents have and the only organization protecting their financial interests and to describing them as always complaining, negative etc is tantamount to political correctness.

I don't know what newsletter others are reading, but I've seen plenty of commendation and thanks given when the POA feels that Morse has done something commendable. I'm sure their Board members have varying opinions and biases on any number of topics, just like TOTV readers, but I feel they sincerely try to present all facets of a story.

Is the POA's ongoing research to find and publish stats on golf cart ejections what some people consider to be complaining? If so, what you call negative, I call reporting. It's the same danged thing with the other online news site -- "Why so much crime?" -- while ignoring the fact that 95% of articles simply relate the daily goings-on at TV and having nothing to do with law-breaking. Perceptions here can be very skewed, IMO.

[OBXNana]

Originally Posted by rubicon

OBXNana: The HOA is funded by the Developer for the Developer So how can it be called a homeowner association? They may be polar opposites but they are not polar opposite homeowner associations. So if there is a concern stemming from the developer side how do you suppose and whom do you suppose will speak up for the residents? In fact if the HOA ever did oppose the developer he pull funding. Also check and see where HOA presidents go after they served in the VHA. They all have key/strategic spots that have a direct affect on the developer's business.

You may want to look a little closer

I opine others can decide

Rubicon, we have owned property in different communities in different states. There are rules, bylaws, and written information that we read, digest, and understand. The Villages for us has been somewhat confusing, and I admit, we are learning as we go.

Thank you for your suggestion to look closer and to do it in a way that you didn't attack me. This is how we continue to educate ourselves and become involved citizens when we are fortunate enough to call The Villages home.

At this point, I don't know if we will agree or disagree with your statement, but we certainly will further explore. Thank you!

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Unfortunately there are some that have a blind devotion to the Developer and in a few cases it goes beyond reasonable logic.Of course it is their right to have this opinion but it does not give the right to call others names. The same people they ae defaming are the ones who are working so hard to protect their quality of life. We are so lucky to have a POA that remains detached from being aligned to any person or organization and is honest and courageous in their pursuit of the truth. If you attend one of their monthly meeting you will see anywhere from 300-500 residents in attendance and they all can't be wrong?

Well said. The POA has done many things for the Villages residents. We are very fortunate to have them look after our interests.

[PennBF]

To clarify. The Plaintiff's (e.g. POA Board Members) did provide the upfront money to fund the Attorney's to bring and try the case. It was their "personal"
funding that acted as the basis for the Plaintiff's action.
(Other clarification: Blind or blinded the key is the thought was clear.)

[PennBF]

To clarify. The Plaintiff's (e.g. POA Board Members) did provide the upfront money to fund the Attorney's to bring and try the case. It was their "personal" funding that acted as the basis for the Plaintiff's action.
(Other clarification: Blind or blinded the key is the thought was clear.)[/QUOTE]

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by PennBF

To clarify. The Plaintiff's (e.g. POA Board Members) did provide the upfront money to fund the Attorney's to bring and try the case. It was their "personal" funding that acted as the basis for the Plaintiff's action.
(Other clarification: Blind or blinded the key is the thought was clear.)

I didn't realize they had injected their own personal funds to get things going, something all of us Villagers benefitted from. Very commendable, IMHO.

[graciegirl]

When has anyone EVER seen anything that was not maintained or the developers not fulfilling any contract?.

If you read back on some posts from the same poster, it is constantly anti-developer.

That poster even called me a "shill" for the developer.

I just like the way things are run here. This is the best run place I have ever lived and I am so glad I chose to live here.

I truly believe that we need an organization to watch out for the residents, but I think it is time the POA got some new leadership. That is my opinion. You can protect the needs of the residents without what I consider a constant negative tone to the builders.

Halibut says the POA gives compliments to the developer but I can't remember any. But I do respect Halibut and she must be right.

I hope I will read something positive in the POA newsletter about Gary Morse's life.

[vinricci]

Didn't mean to poke a hornet's nest. I'm new here and with all the organizations and businesses trying to sell new homeowners something, I wanted to find out if POA was reputable. In the future I'll do a search of TOTV first before posting. Thank all of you for your comments.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by PennBF

To clarify. The Plaintiff's (e.g. POA Board Members) did provide the upfront money to fund the Attorney's to bring and try the case. It was their "personal" funding that acted as the basis for the Plaintiff's action.
(Other clarification: Blind or blinded the key is the thought was clear.)

[/QUOTE]

I did not see a reply saying if the POA board members got their upfront money back. Did they? How much more did the get back than what was put in? Can you give the actual dollar amounts?

[redwitch]

I did not see a reply saying if the POA board members got their upfront money back. Did they? How much more did the get back than what was put in? Can you give the actual dollar amounts?[/QUOTE]

If typical of most class action suits, the $50,000 would have been their "profit". Any costs, etc. would have come out of the attorneys' fees and costs and any monies paid by plaintiffs would have been reimbursed from these costs and fees. Considering the amount of time taken to find an attorney to take on the Morses, the pre-filing fees for investigation, etc., I'd say $50K is probably a lot less than they deserve.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

When has anyone EVER seen anything that was not maintained or the developers not fulfilling any contract?.

If you read back on some posts from the same poster, it is constantly anti-developer.

That poster even called me a "shill" for the developer.

I just like the way things are run here. This is the best run place I have ever lived and I am so glad I chose to live here.

I truly believe that we need an organization to watch out for the residents, but I think it is time the POA got some new leadership. That is my opinion. You can protect the needs of the residents without what I consider a constant negative tone to the builders.

Halibut says the POA gives compliments to the developer but I can't remember any. But I do respect Halibut and she must be right.

I hope I will read something positive in the POA newsletter about Gary Morse's life.

Gracie, I agree with Halibut. I have seen positive comments given toward the developer in the POA. They are not going to let anything be swept under the rug around here, so yes, they are a strong voice. But they do give credit where it's due.

And I don't believe that they are just trying to "stir up trouble." I applaud their current effort to find some legal way to establish a sinkhole fund to cover those who have bought pre-owned homes and cannot get such coverage. I am in their corner over the roof shingle problem efforts. They've provided a great public service over golf-cart safety awareness. Among other things.

I believe the comments they have made against the developer that have no basis in fact are few and far between. No, they're not perfect, and some of their comments could be toned down. But some of the VHA's comments are sickening sweet, over-the-top, head-in-the-sand to me about TV as well. I am glad for VHA's organization and support them, but I am even more glad for POA because I believe we individual owners need such an organization.

[rp001]

The POA is absolutely needed here. Without them we would be at the developer or his minion's mercy even more than we are now. The question was asked when hasn't the developer worked in the best interests of the residents, well let's see. Other than the one settled lawsuit and the pending one I can think of at least two issues, one being settled and that is the AC coolant line issue. The next one will probably be the shingle issue where obvious defective material has been used, and the manufacturer refusing now to do the right thing, and the developer continuing to use the products of their cronies, when in fact their buying power could be used to our advantage. There is another little item out there that I just heard of and that is the developer refusing to allow VA loans. Just a few that come to mind but there are some that believe the developer can do no wrong!

[Warren Kiefer]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;961694]I think we need an organization separate from the VHA which is really an extension of the developers but I am not a fan of the POA.

In my opinion they seem simply anti-developer in too many issues. They have helped on many situations but I am not convinced that the lawsuit that they brought against the developer was warranted. I feel that all of the things they wanted accomplished would have been accomplished and I am pretty sure that a couple of POA members won quite a bit of money personally. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

So many times their newsletter reads like a rant against the developer.

I wish they would hold an election and get someone new in to be the leaders or at least to write the newsletter.

I cannot understand why you consider the lawsuits unwarranted. It was determined thru the courts that the Developer had erred. I suppose you are saying the courts got it wrong?? What about the roofing shingle problems, the pond liner on the developer's private property that residents paid for, the failing air conditioner lines or the at night gate erection on the orginal side. All one has to do is compare the activities of the two organizations.