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rustyp 12-12-2022 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2165710)
Here's my personal experience as a bike-rider:

If I'm trying to go uphill, and there's no traffic on the cross street, I'll go as fast as I possibly can right through that intersection.

If I'm going downhill, I'll either stop completely, or roll through. It's around 50-50 - depends on how much I'm enjoying the ability to coast down hill that moment.

If I'm on even pavement I'll usually come to a complete stop - I'd say around 80% of the time.

If there's traffic on the cross road, OR someone coming from the other side with their turn signal on to take a left, I come to a complete stop - 100% of the time. If someone tries to give me the right of way I will get off my bicycle, and not get back on until they've passed.
This is especially true if there are people behind the guy trying to give away his right of way, or someone on the other side of the intersection wanting to take a left, while other people are moving in from my left or right.

Lastly - if I'm currently going downhill, but immediately after the stop sign is an uphill segment of road, I will come to a stop ONLY if there are cars approaching from my right or left. Otherwise I will speed through as fast as I can to make sure I have enough momentum to make it up that hill without having to get off the bike and walk.

I violate the law. I admit it. I'm also not a hypocrite who thinks badly of people who follow the same protocol in their cars or golf carts. If there's no traffic in any direction then it shouldn't matter if you, the only person at that intersection, or even near that intersection, chooses to cross that intersection.

I personally think all right turns should be yields, not stops. But - it isn't, I acknowledge that it isn't, I'm willing to take my chances.

That's one whale of a checklist. I got a C- on my last memory test. Barely passed the hearing test. I have my name on the front of my golf cart for two reasons:
1. So I can find it after I parked it
2. Make sure it is mine - those universal keys will get you every time
I think I might be too old to handle the to do list at a stop sign on a bike. I could just come to a complete stop. Much less to remember. The added benefit of coming to a full stop is I can stand up and pull the spandex out of my caboose.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-12-2022 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2165734)
That's one whale of a checklist. I got a C- on my last memory test. Barely passed the hearing test. I have my name on the front of my golf cart for two reasons:
1. So I can find it after I parked it
2. Make sure it is mine - those universal keys will get you every time
I think I might be too old to handle the to do list at a stop sign on a bike. I could just come to a complete stop. Much less to remember. The added benefit of coming to a full stop is I can stand up and pull the spandex out of my caboose.

It's not a checklist. I just gave a moment's thought to my usual habits when I ride my bicycle. I've been riding a bicycle a lot longer than I've been driving a golf cart, and I can tell you what my routine is for that too.

Also - wear actual bicycle shorts if the spandex is getting stuck. They're padded and supposedly they solve that problem (I wear normal shorts or jeans).

tophcfa 12-12-2022 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2165710)
I violate the law. I admit it. I'm also not a hypocrite who thinks badly of people who follow the same protocol in their cars or golf carts. If there's no traffic in any direction then it shouldn't matter if you, the only person at that intersection, or even near that intersection, chooses to cross that intersection.

Agree, can’t remember how many times at night I have taken a left turn with a red light at the intersection of San Marino and Morse in the golf cart. When there is nobody there, I am not going to sit there for two minutes staring into an abyss waiting for the light to turn. I won’t do it in a car because you never know if there is a camera at the intersection that could snap a picture of the license plate.

Love2Swim 12-12-2022 06:09 PM

Realistically, there are any number of laws that people break on a routine basis. I may cross the street in the middle of the block, instead of going way out of my way to cross at a crosswalk. If I'm in my golf cart, I will slow down for all stop signs, but if its obvious no one is coming from either direction, I will go through. How many people have gotten to a red light in the middle of the night, and it takes forever to change. There is no one in sight. The purpose of the light is to control traffic. Common sense tells you to go through the red light instead of waiting another couple minutes for it to change. Anyone here drink when they are underage - raise your hand. How about smoking pot? Raise your hand. Did something on the internet while you were in the workplace, that wasn't work related? Theft of services - Raise your hand. Playing poker for money at home? May be prohibited based on your state of residence. Speeding? .... you get the idea.

NoMoSno 12-12-2022 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 2165801)
Common sense tells you to go through the red light instead of waiting another couple minutes for it to change.

Common sense tells me to wait and not run the red, and chance a ticket, points, and a rise in insurance cost...but you do you...

coffeebean 12-13-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2164878)
"Brake pedal"??? On a bike?

Not on a bike......in an automobile is what I was referring to.

DAVES 12-15-2022 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2164760)
What is the law regarding cyclists and stop signs ? Today at Watertower circle two very large groups entered the circle from Lester Drive which has a stop sign at full speed - no stop. I mean no stop. Both lead bikers did not hesitate and went into the circle full bore and the groups followed. It was like they were entering a roundabout except there is a stop sign. There was a car coming around the circle and both car and cyclists met at the intersection. It appeared the leader made the decision not to stop by staying to the extreme right. The road in the circle is about two lanes wide but not marked (striped) as such.

There is no shortage of stupid inconsiderate people. Who is right who is wrong,
people will post as always, OPINIONS based on their bias. Taking a bicycle into a round a bout is a bit NUTS. Taking a group of bicycle riders into a round about is perhaps MIXED NUTS.

As far as bikes and stop signs. All should realize that a bicycle is human powered. If does not start from a stop as a car or a golf cart does. Most drivers, of cars or golf carts, if, honest, admit they do at best a rolling stop at a stop sign. When, on my bike I do the same.

Far as LAW, how many drivers know they are supposed to be three feet away from the side of a bicycle. Clearly not all drivers are good drivers. Just the other day I had a lady not more than three inches from my bike. Was she unaware or did she not care. Truth SHE WAS WRONG.

DAVES 12-15-2022 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilharm (Post 2165596)
The city of Clear Lake, Iowa will ticket bikers that ignore stop signs and stop lights.

I expect someone told police to do this. No one wants to get a ticket. Most police are not out to get you. Posters mostly state when I break the law it is justified but they should stop others from. Rules, laws, it is unlikely that all of us have not broken some rule to day. Car stuff you can be ticketed for and probably will not be. Tinted windows, a chip in the glass, worn wiper blades, worn brakes, headlights-improperly aimed, etc etc etc
Ticketing a bicycle for running a stop sign. You do not need to have a driver's license to drive a bike. You do not need to have identification of any kind. Officer, my name is BOB SMITH, my address is 355 Main street.
Most police use common sense.

DAVES 12-15-2022 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2165627)
The states of Delaware, Idaho, and Colorado would not issue tickets as they have passed laws to allow bicyclists to roll through stop signs. The reason these states cite is that most accidents between bicyclists and vehicles occur at intersections. The reason many cyclists roll through is that they instinctively know that the quicker they can get through an intersection the safer they will be. Stopping and then restarting is slow and dangerous as cars can come upon a bicyclist very quickly and if a biker is going only going 5 mph he will be very vulnerable. It is very understandable for auto drivers to see rolling stops as a dangerous maneuver. It certainly looks that way when 10 bikers are seen shooting through an intersection all at once, but they are doing this for their own safety. The faster they can get through the better. Some reports have shown that rolling stops result in less bike accidents and that is why some states allow it. As a bicyclist and motorcyclist, I am acutely aware that intersections are the most dangerous part of my rides and I make sure to move through them as quickly and safely as I can. (I always come to a complete stop on my motorcycle, but I can accelerate rapidly to move through the dangerous intersections.) Still I can see how that looks to the auto driver. I agree that there are instances where bicyclists make poor decisions and do not yield to an approaching car, but that is something we all try to avoid as it endangers our lives. You are being concerned drivers posting here as you know you don’t want to hit anyone. We bicyclists appreciate that and we are trying to do our best to safely move through the streets and intersections. Maybe if you could understand a little about our situation we could also be more considerate of auto drivers as well. We are after all living in this wonderful place called The Villages.

My dad taught me to drive. Dad passed away years ago but I can still hear what he said, "Expect them to do the stupidest possible thing because that is exactly what they will do."
Same thought perhaps, more polite. You control your vehicle. You do not know the mood of drivers around you, how bright they are, their health etc etc etc.
THE BEST ACCIDENT IS THE ONE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Dotneko 12-15-2022 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2164919)
Well, they were responding to a post about a former LEO citing "bicycle riders" for not stopping at stop signs, so...

I understood they were comparing the difficulty all operators of vehicles - cars, carts, bicycles have in starting and stopping. Sorry you didnt understand it.

JMintzer 12-15-2022 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2166842)
I understood they were comparing the difficulty all operators of vehicles - cars, carts, bicycles have in starting and stopping. Sorry you didnt understand it.

Operators of cars and golf carts have difficulty in starting and stopping?

Garywt 12-15-2022 10:37 PM

If riding they have the same laws/rules as cars, if walking the bike they are pedestrians.

Davonu 12-16-2022 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2166908)
If riding they have the same laws/rules as cars, if walking the bike they are pedestrians.

In Florida yes.

Quite a few states have passed laws that allow bicyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs.

Dotneko 12-16-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2166890)
Operators of cars and golf carts have difficulty in starting and stopping?

Nope. Neither do cyclists unless they are morons. They want the bike, learn to ride it properly.

golfing eagles 12-16-2022 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brianherlihy (Post 2166968)
i drive my golf and stop if a bike dont i dont

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