[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

From what I've seen there is still high compliance in the stores and other crowded venues. People are being as patient about this as they can be. The more they are scolded and threatened with mandates, the weaker the compliance will be.

I walked into a store the other day w/o a mask on - not because I was being defiant but because I literally thought that I had one on. Oops. When I realized I didn't have one on, I put it on. No big deal. I don't think that anyone DIED from my momentary lapse. I saw a delivery driver pop into another store w/o a mask on his face to deliver a package. I doubt that he contaminated the entire store in that brief time he was in there.

We have got to use some common sense with this and give people the benefit of the doubt or people are just going to get frustrated and stop even trying to placate others by wearing masks.

If what you say about compliance is true, then we would not have seat belts in our cars or speed bumps on our roads. People will comply with lawful orders, when those doing the ordering at the top grow up and give the US the correct messages. there is a reason that the US has 19% of the world's DEATHS. I know the reason. Do you?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Totally untrue, masks cannot and will not stop the spread of the virus.

Then WHY are ALL the medical professionals on TV BEGGING US people to wear their masks? And how else can anyone explain why the US with its under 5% of the world's population be CAUSING 19 % of the world's DEATHS. I am thinking that not wearing masks is causing ALL the out --proportioned US DEATHS.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by Mikee1

If masks worked the virus would be gone by now... Remember 14 days to slow the spread. All any of this has done is prolong the inevitable.

Republican Governors who fought mask-wearing Iowa, Wyoming, Utah, North Dakota are now changing their tune since the hospital census is increasing. While the Governors of South Dakota, Florida the exact opposite. The Villages on Wednesday test 15 positive and Wednesday 13 positive hope no one is hospitalized or even real sick just quarantine it's only 14 days

[Byte1]

Oh my! The sky is falling.
It's pathetic that some folks NEED a gov nanny to tell them how to live and then they need to get into everyone else's business because the gov nanny told them how to think.
I think you all should wear tin foil hats so that the radiation from the power towers don't mess up your minds. Ooops, too late.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

I agree, but is anyone else disturbed by the major Danish study released yesterday that the kind mask we are able to obtain have no value in protecting the wearer (something I have long suspected based on what I learned in microbiology in college classes), and that there "may" be a very low level of protection to others from you ? This is the reason public officials like the president elect and others wear N95 masks under their fashion masks. The study released last week done on our own marine recruits in training barracks found the same thing ! Startling stats that the wearing of cotton and cloth masks do not protect from a virus but could possibly stop the actual water vapor as in when someone sneezes directly on you, or your food. I wonder if "some day" we are going to find out that this virus is spreads and effects in a way we never even thought of ? Such as certain genetic markers found in our various cultural ethnicity's or cultures ? I have always questioned my "mind", or what's left of it, LOL, knowing what I do know about microbiology, microbes, bacteria, etc. (and believe me, I am not an expert for sure, just a little education in that area) for walking around with my Disney character mask on thinking I am protected in any way for the virus (not the water vapor surrounding it) penetrating cotton ? Sometimes I think some actual experts must know this, but, feel it's better psychologically for a population to feel they have some degree of personal control over their own safety rather than have the multiply dangers of a population overcome with anxiety (crowd madness), causing stark changes in personalities, behaviors, etc. ? What we think of a panic and people becoming "unlike" themselves ? Food for thought ?

That IS food for thought! But, sometimes we as individuals, can OVER-think somethings, sometimes. This IS an emotional period. I look to the US's world-leading epidemiologists for their LATEST advice on mask-wearing. It is conclusive, so I wear one and hope others wear theirs. And in the future, I hope that US leaders in Washington start advising the wearing of masks. AND that they "walk the walk"!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Guaranteed that is not the case. First, people would be wearing masks which has never been normal. Second, 90% of the people 90% of the time is no more than 80% compliance which would slow the virus but not stop it. We would still have limitations in sizes of gatherings, we would still have mandatory closing times for places where masks wouldn't be worn (restaurants and bars), and it's questionable whether large sports venues would be allowed to operate at capacity since they encourage cheering and yelling and other activities that increase the spread of the virus.

How would we know that, since we have NOT tried that?

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Totally untrue, masks cannot and will not stop the spread of the virus.

Where do you get this nonsense?

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Totally untrue, masks cannot and will not stop the spread of the virus.

Where do you get this nonsense?

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US has less than 5% of the world's population. It has 19 % of the world's death. That suggests to me that the US has done SOMETHING(?) wrong! Since mask-wearing is the best available response that epidemiologists have STRONGLY suggested to us to do - and since most of we Americans have been propagandized toward not wearing masks - we of TV Land need to talk it out over and over until the CORRECT and unpropagandized message gets through. It is difficult to drill through the hardened layers of propaganda that have clouded the minds of zombiezed Americans. The goal of LIFE, liberty, and happiness starts with LIFE simply because you can't have liberty and happiness when you are DEAD!

I guess unless you maybe believe in reincarnation?

U.S. hospitals were given monetary incentive to label deaths as Covid caused.

That's the part they forget to mention in all of those fancy dancy statistics.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

I don't know how anyone knows at all if someone in their golf league, ceramics class, or in Publix has, or soon will have, the virus ? I suppose the people going to their meetings and activities go because The Villages has these activities going on, and that's why people live here ? Surely if this was considered highly "dangerous", the villages would not allow such classes don't you think ? Maybe not, but I certainly think so. Of course we are all responsible for our own safety, I completely agree ! But, if we swim something could happening, could slip, hit head, drown, who knows. Just wondering what others think too, if this was considered highly dangerous do you think the rec centers would be open and having activities ? WHY are you going to Publix ? Maybe you are hungry and have assessed the risk and it is clear that dying from hunger is much more likely than dying from Covid-19 ? I am definitely NOT a risk taker, but some of the emotional issues here just don't make sense to me in a logical, factual, analysis ! ?

The Villages have about everything open, Not on the advice of medical experts. It is open because it was decreed that way by our big-time state tribal leader called a Governor. And this tribal leader has allegiance to ...........something? Out West and in the northern mid-west, the CV is raging and their rec centerlike places called gyms are closing down, and indoor restaurants are closing.

In reality, as a conclusion - we are living in a time period called "before CV and after CV". TV Land has been lucky so far. And some are looking ahead to a vaccine to put all of the broken Humpty-dumpty of America back together again. I predict that that does NOT go smoothly - NOTHING in life goes smoothly. The rec center question is just a microcosm of the greater macro forces of a national nature!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life

Aerosol lingering is not reported as true by the cdc ,it is media driven. The “death clouds are fiction’” masks are only required if you are unable to maintain six feet distance.

I first heard about aerosols lingering in the air from the CDC.

CDC Says Coronavirus Might Be Adrift in Indoor Air - The New York Times

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If what you say about compliance is true, then we would not have seat belts in our cars or speed bumps on our roads. People will comply with lawful orders, when those doing the ordering at the top grow up and give the US the correct messages. there is a reason that the US has 19% of the world's DEATHS. I know the reason. Do you?

Getting into a car accident while not wearing a seat belt is often harmful to people. So we wear seat belts because we don't want to get hurt.

You generally don't have to nag people to not jump out of skyscraper windows or not walk in the middle of busy roads, set their bodies on fire or drink gasoline. There is no need to ban tall buildings, roads or gasoline.

You don't have to remind people that knives can be sharp. But if you go around screaming about how dangerous plastic butter knives are and that they should all be BANNED, people are going to look at you funny and use their butter knives anyway in spite of the "risks" involved.

Exercise classes promote health, relaxation and mental well being. There might be a heightened chance to catch a virus but that is a risk people are willing to take. If you don't agree, don't take a class.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by shannondwd

They are NOT REQUIRED to wear a mask unless you get within 6 feet of them. Can you imagine wearing a mask 8 hours when there is. No one in the building. Very unhealthy that would be.

Plenty of hospital workers and grocery workers wear masks for 8 hour shifts, why not Rec Centre staff/ Saying it is unhealthy is ridiculous and absurd.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Mikee1

If masks worked the virus would be gone by now... Remember 14 days to slow the spread. All any of this has done is prolong the inevitable.

Masks WOULD work if only the majority of people wore them. That is not happening in most parts of our country. The anti-maskers are akin to petulant children. That is the hard truth about this. I've said many times before, The US will never see this virus under control until the vaccine is made available to the masses. Slowing the spread of the virus is apparently not feasible with the way the people of our country conduct themselves.

An example right here in The Villages......I passed a very popular corner restaurant/bar in Lake Sumter Landing the other evening. The outdoor bar was PACKED TO THE GILLS. People were standing within one foot of each other. Holy cow. If that is not a recipe for disaster. That is just one little example so there you have it. I rest my case.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

U.S. hospitals were given monetary incentive to label deaths as Covid caused.

That's the part they forget to mention in all of those fancy dancy statistics.

It is hard to comment on ideas propagated by science deniers and statistic deniers and the flat earthers of the world that apparently regurgitate their QAnon and foxy propaganda often and at will. It is a lovely world in Q-land, I hope you are NOT my neighbor!