[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by ts12755

Why, do you want to get one of these minimum wage employees in trouble? Just wear your mask and stay away from people.

Or .... if you don't like to go, or are not allowed by your doctor, etc. to go, into a place where all are NOT masked, what about.... do NOT go on in ? This applies to the bank, the school, the rec center, or Publix. Simple ? If it is personally, PERSONALLY threatening to YOU (don't worry about other people, worry about YOU), then do not frequent those places. If you feel more comfortable outside, do outside things, if you don't feel completely safe outside either, stay in your own house and do not let anyone else in, use inst-cart, have meds delivered, order clothing, shoes, Christmas presents on line and have mailed or use curb side pickup. But the endless/useless discussions about what OTHER people should do, or WHO should wear a mask at WHICH rec center is just on the border of insanity. Maybe passing information on there that might be helpful to others would be a good idea. Things like: Went to El Santiago rec center yesterday, they don't wear masks there (so a person who wants to play pool could be aware and go to another), or forming fall pickle-ball teams, masks NOT required, Base ball card collectors are meeting again at _____ rec center, be aware if you want to come our club does require masking ! Things like this would be HELPFUL, and, it would (hopefully) stop all those on either "side" of this to STOP telling others to do what they think or believe ! Adults ? We are a mature, educated, experienced community... or so they say !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I saw an interview on TV the other day that made my mouth drop open in disbelief. An ICU nurse said that she has had patients, sick with Covid, come off a ventilator and say that they do not believe they were sick with Covid because they truly believe this pandemic is a hoax. She was in near tears explaining how overworked she and her colleagues are and trying their best to save the lives of these people. There is just something very wrong about this. I was aghast listening to her. People can be such fools.

Just shows the strength of propaganda. We must be underestimating its influence. Social media has math models designed to KEEP you in front of your screen for long periods of time. You get slowly pushed toward like-thinking users. Then you get propagandized and even radicalized. There is little diversity of thinking. Like everything else, social media has an upside and a downside. We get wedged into groups like mask wearers and non-mask wearers.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

SO the Villages is violating everything that you believe and yet have hardly any virus related deaths(compared to everywhere else). Go figure. And you believe it is due to "LUCK?" What's luck got to do with your "science?" I am not denying the existence of luck, but I am denying the absolutes of "science."

True so far. I hope it continues!

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Look up confirmation bias. I don't believe all, even capitalized, is strictly accurate.

Other possible reasons for the large percentage in the US:
- Not the highest ratio in the world (top 10? maybe)
- Higher population density in areas of the US that are spiking
- Mis-steps in the beginning (NY nursing homes among others)
- No lockdowns (I don't want to live in a country with police on every corner asking for my papers if I leave my house)
- Poor counting in some countries
- Generally obstinate
- Too many "experts" demanding something today then something different tomorrow
- Fake news (from all sides) driving a lack of compliance (and common sense)
- US love of freedom - Don't Tread on Me - Just leave me the h**l alone

And even more can be added. You probably realize how easily one can manipulate stats without changing any FACT (just sorting on different variables of the study, etc. etc.) and publish them to reinforce your original hypothesis (learned that little trick in grad school research, without ever lying, you can publish your data in the most advantageous way to support your hypothesis. Give me your data, I'll show you how to display it without being nefarious or unprincipled. Also, have you noticed how (some) people on here seem to actually believe statements such as "ALL experts agree that......." and so on. Most certainly they do not (example resent research on the use of NON medical cotton masks in marine corps basic training barracks, the Danish research (one of the largest projects thus far) that showed NO protection to the person wearing the little cotton fabric mask and inconclusive if it protects OTHER from the virus, "possibly" from wet droplets of a sneeze, possibly for a bacteria, but not evidence of protection from covid ! Greatest benefit, gives frightened individuals a SLIGHT reduction of psychological anxiety, even from just the act of donning the mask before going out, but, it does not come close to the damage from the LONG STANDING stress and anxiety of living in an environment, such as a big city in India or Nepal where masks are required to for "normal" breathing due to the pollution. Not "against" masks, but this false sense of doing something as "protection" can be very harmful in a number of ways.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I think you are beating a dead horse.
Here are the past efforts.....



What are they thinking? 333 posts


covid 19 96 posts

From Dr Mercola....Holidays with Covid...this is such an important reminder.. 56 posts

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...rchid=18739096 205 posts

Who IS Dr. Mercola - the Q doctor? I have never heard his name mentioned anywhere but on this forum? DR. Atlas is a joke. Maybe they share the same office in the Q-building?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

U.S. hospitals were given monetary incentive to label deaths as Covid caused.

That's the part they forget to mention in all of those fancy dancy statistics.

Statistics aside......have you seen the health care professionals, nurses mostly, in tears or near tears in sheer exhaustion begging people to PLEASE comply with the CDC guidelines. That is a sad state of affairs when Americans simply do not care what is happening to our health care workers. My heart breaks for these people who can not get a handle of the death and dying they see and have to deal with every day. Health care professionals are retiring early or just quitting because they can not stand the stress anymore. This is our America people. Let's do our part to not overwhelm our hospitals. I'm not just talking about our bubble here in The Villages; I'm referring to people everywhere in America.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Then WHY are ALL the medical professionals on TV BEGGING US people to wear their masks? And how else can anyone explain why the US with its under 5% of the world's population be CAUSING 19 % of the world's DEATHS. I am thinking that not wearing masks is causing ALL the out --proportioned US DEATHS.

"ALL" are not, far from it, just take the time to look up the experience, education, and credentials of some of the medical and bio people who ARE trying to get people to realize the the weave of cotton or synthetic fibers of fabrics are NOT going to protect them or the public from the MICROBES penetrating no matter how many coffee filters you stuff behind it thinking nothing can get to you ! What you don't see, and have to do your own research, are the many recognized experts that know this is a campaign to keep the panic down.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

So are you wearing goggles also?

I wear safety glasses when I have to be indoors around many people. There are YouTube videos showing droplets coming from breathing, yelling, and sneezing. You can SEE it with your own EYES. So, STOP with the denying.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If what you say about compliance is true, then we would not have seat belts in our cars or speed bumps on our roads. People will comply with lawful orders, when those doing the ordering at the top grow up and give the US the correct messages. there is a reason that the US has 19% of the world's DEATHS. I know the reason. Do you?

I believer seat belts are placed in an automobile as a reminder to use, they are there, why not use them. Most of the time, I do. Some times I do forget. Of course I know that could be the very time I get hit. I might be killed ! I might not, maybe just get a head bump ? But, it would be because I just forgot.... and left my garage.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Oh my! The sky is falling.
It's pathetic that some folks NEED a gov nanny to tell them how to live and then they need to get into everyone else's business because the gov nanny told them how to think.
I think you all should wear tin foil hats so that the radiation from the power towers don't mess up your minds. Ooops, too late.

I am not a "disbeliever" but my goodness, have you ever heard anything like some of the things presented on here as "fact"... sky is falling is right. This is a serious illness, but the depth of the fear it is instilling in our community is really beyond what you would expect from a relatively affluent, educated, and mature community of intelligent experienced people. Even health professionals are not as emotional and irrational as so many in our own community.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Statistics aside......have you seen the health care professionals, nurses mostly, in tears or near tears in sheer exhaustion begging people to PLEASE comply with the CDC guidelines. That is a sad state of affairs when Americans simply do not care what is happening to our health care workers. My heart breaks for these people who can not get a handle of the death and dying they see and have to deal with every day. Health care professionals are retiring early or just quitting because they can not stand the stress anymore. This is our America people. Let's do our part to not overwhelm our hospitals. I'm not just talking about our bubble here in The Villages; I'm referring to people everywhere in America.

What you are saying is born out by the stats that I said about the US 5% population and 19% CV deaths in the world. When stats and real-world experience line up, together they produce TRUTH! In truth, the US is overall, a cesspool of CV and a cesspool of purposeful misinformation.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Statistics aside......have you seen the health care professionals, nurses mostly, in tears or near tears in sheer exhaustion begging people to PLEASE comply with the CDC guidelines. That is a sad state of affairs when Americans simply do not care what is happening to our health care workers. My heart breaks for these people who can not get a handle of the death and dying they see and have to deal with every day. Health care professionals are retiring early or just quitting because they can not stand the stress anymore. This is our America people. Let's do our part to not overwhelm our hospitals. I'm not just talking about our bubble here in The Villages; I'm referring to people everywhere in America.

No one knows more about working to sheer exhaustion then a combat medic. He also knows he may not make it through the day. My wife was an ER nurse for 30 years. Sure she came home exhausted and stressed. She never blamed the diseases or circumstances she worked under for it. She knew she was going home after her shifts. You sound like all ER nurses do is deal with a virus. The hospitals are not overwhelmed. BTW: the nurses are paid very well for what they do. Stop spreading panic and lies.

[Byte1]

You all can breath easier now. An interview is currently going on with the NEW reign and a mask mandate for all and a mandate for EVERYONE to have a vaccination is in the imminent future. No worries now. You all can become just like the USSR commie informers that call the law whenever you see a mask violation or hear of someone that did not get their shots. You all can breath easier now. Wipe your tears and rejoice because you are saved.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

"ALL" are not, far from it, just take the time to look up the experience, education, and credentials of some of the medical and bio people who ARE trying to get people to realize the the weave of cotton or synthetic fibers of fabrics are NOT going to protect them or the public from the MICROBES penetrating no matter how many coffee filters you stuff behind it thinking nothing can get to you ! What you don't see, and have to do your own research, are the many recognized experts that know this is a campaign to keep the panic down.

And maybe I know things that others may NOT know! Let me say that there needed to be more panic leading to action back in Feb when Bob Woodward was doing in-person research.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Advogado

Where do you get this nonsense?

Uh, common sense. Nothing is 100% effective.