[blueash]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I've been in a lot of hospitals over the years as a patient and visitor. I saw very few medical staff wearing masks even in the ICU. Only since the Covid virus have I seen widespread use of masks by medical personnel. Also did you ever check your oxygen level while you were wearing a mask? I seriously doubt it. Medical personnel are for the most part younger people in reasonably good health vs older people with existing health problems or just older bodies that aren't functioning at optimal levels. Does it not make sense that an older person may have a lower oxygen level while wearing a mask?

The above is one in a string of comments that began with a claim that a person was seen at their doctor and was hypoxic and after a couple breaths without a mask was then normal with the oxygen saturation going from high 80's to high 90's Further the nurse reportedly said she is seeing this frequently.

This social media claim has been studied and refuted as a significant problem. No study can prove it didn't happen once. Or that the nurse errantly applied the oximeter giving wrong numbers. But a study of elderly adults wearing non-medical cloth masks was done where multiple oxygen measurements were taken over three hours and there were ZERO persons who had hypoxia from wearing a mask. Peripheral Oxygen Saturation in Older Persons Wearing Nonmedical Face Masks in Community Settings | Geriatrics | JAMA | JAMA Network The study looked for a 2% drop in oxygen saturation. It didn't find one. The poster here claimed a 10% drop relieved by a couple breaths with no supplemental oxygen.

Sorry, but an oxygen saturation of 89 will never go up to 98 with a couple breaths within a few seconds. Measurement error or fabrication.

[justjim]

Wow! Sure glad we got the wearing of a mask squared away.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, for South Korea. No way lockdowns in New Zealand _ just smart people listening to their Scientists!

A five second search shows that New Zealand locked down for 19 weeks.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Honestly, no.

Really! You believe everything the media tells you?

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life

Aerosol lingering is not reported as true by the cdc ,it is media driven. The “death clouds are fiction’” masks are only required if you are unable to maintain six feet distance.

I've also been doing a bit of research on that; difficult to do as just so many journalist type stories you really have to dig down to search out actual research studies, but yes, "aerosol effect" does NOT linger and wait to infect victims. Conclusions of studies done in such locations as super markets showed that even if an infected person sneezed in an isle, the chances of the next person coming down that isle passing thru a concentration great enough to cause risk was extremely low and those were studies using < > .05 !

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by blueash

The above is one in a string of comments that began with a claim that a person was seen at their doctor and was hypoxic and after a couple breaths without a mask was then normal with the oxygen saturation going from high 80's to high 90's Further the nurse reportedly said she is seeing this frequently.

This social media claim has been studied and refuted as a significant problem. No study can prove it didn't happen once. Or that the nurse errantly applied the oximeter giving wrong numbers. But a study of elderly adults wearing non-medical cloth masks was done where multiple oxygen measurements were taken over three hours and there were ZERO persons who had hypoxia from wearing a mask. Peripheral Oxygen Saturation in Older Persons Wearing Nonmedical Face Masks in Community Settings | Geriatrics | JAMA | JAMA Network The study looked for a 2% drop in oxygen saturation. It didn't find one. The poster here claimed a 10% drop relieved by a couple breaths with no supplemental oxygen.

Sorry, but an oxygen saturation of 89 will never go up to 98 with a couple breaths within a few seconds. Measurement error or fabrication.

So you are calling me and the nurse liars?

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And maybe I know things that others may NOT know! Let me say that there needed to be more panic leading to action back in Feb when Bob Woodward was doing in-person research.

True, it is very difficult (if only the internet available as a tool) to really drill down on this....

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Just shows the strength of propaganda. We must be underestimating its influence. Social media has math models designed to KEEP you in front of your screen for long periods of time. You get slowly pushed toward like-thinking users. Then you get propagandized and even radicalized. There is little diversity of thinking. Like everything else, social media has an upside and a downside. We get wedged into groups like mask wearers and non-mask wearers.

I suspect you have some background in psychology. You hit EVERY important point, especially the subtle ways the minds of people can be manipulated (as your example of maskers, no maskers, democrat, republican) and slowly but surely they are controlled (herded is a great common term) toward one psychological mind set or another. The really insidious part of the on screen social media addiction is that the anonymity itself REINFORCES the participants and yes, personalities can be changed and since posting is a one way communication (even when someone comes slamming back in reproach) it is still a very different process than face to face conversations which can add infinitely to one's own knowledge, but also gives you the opportunity to consider other people's opinions, expertise, knowledge; face to face input keeps the mind more "flexible", and the personality (ego, subconscious) in check, more sociable, and more open to learning !

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

I've also been doing a bit of research on that; difficult to do as just so many journalist type stories you really have to dig down to search out actual research studies, but yes, "aerosol effect" does NOT linger and wait to infect victims. Conclusions of studies done in such locations as super markets showed that even if an infected person sneezed in an isle, the chances of the next person coming down that isle passing thru a concentration great enough to cause risk was extremely low and those were studies using < > .05 !

.05 is not a comforting rate of infections. If a airplane crashed out of 20 flights, would you fly?

[biker1]

0.05 is a typical significance used in statistical hypothesis testing in the biological sciences. Don't conflate it with engineering reliability requirements.

Originally Posted by Advogado

.05 is not a comforting rate of infections. If a airplane crashed out of 20 flights, would you fly?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Is it true that a gym or grocery store is a sterile environment? Is it true that homemade cloth masks are sterile and as high a quality as medical grade masks? Is it safe for a cashier to be wearing/touching/adjusting a non sterile, non medical grade cloth mask all day long while scanning merchandise that has been touched by multiple hands?

Is it true what they say about Dixie?

[Neils]

Stay safe
Just wear your mask and limit indoor exposure in all public places. Only go inside if required and stay for shortest time possible.

[cheweycat]

Required? Not in the vernacular of the The Villages!

[Waltdisney4life]

5 minutes on google or good morning America does not make someone on expert. When a person quotes experts with words might or could shows that the so called experts have no clue.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by blueash

The above is one in a string of comments that began with a claim that a person was seen at their doctor and was hypoxic and after a couple breaths without a mask was then normal with the oxygen saturation going from high 80's to high 90's Further the nurse reportedly said she is seeing this frequently.

This social media claim has been studied and refuted as a significant problem. No study can prove it didn't happen once. Or that the nurse errantly applied the oximeter giving wrong numbers. But a study of elderly adults wearing non-medical cloth masks was done where multiple oxygen measurements were taken over three hours and there were ZERO persons who had hypoxia from wearing a mask. Peripheral Oxygen Saturation in Older Persons Wearing Nonmedical Face Masks in Community Settings | Geriatrics | JAMA | JAMA Network The study looked for a 2% drop in oxygen saturation. It didn't find one. The poster here claimed a 10% drop relieved by a couple breaths with no supplemental oxygen.

Sorry, but an oxygen saturation of 89 will never go up to 98 with a couple breaths within a few seconds. Measurement error or fabrication.

This past week in THE VILLAGES Tuesday 15, Wednesday 13, Thursday 13 highest consistent testing to date. Did we have a spreader event? Don't wish anyone to be hospitalized. Do we have contract tracing in The Villages?