[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Great post! Well written and informative, such clarity. Nice to know that there are so many thoughtful and clever people in TV Land. Impressive!

It takes approximately 45 seconds for blood to flow through the heart and return. Upon my last Dr appointment sitting in the waiting room with so-called minor COPD, wearing a mask for 30 min my blood oxygen level is 99%.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Dr. Michael Olsterholm said the vaccine will LIKELY be available around June or July to regular people. You can Google that! He has been right all along about CV predictions. Take that to the Google and CV BANK!

Now I have to look up who is Dr. Michael Olsterholm. I haven't heard of him.

I am keeping my fingers crossed they will let our daughter Helene have the vaccine too when we get it. She is 55 and has Williams Syndrome.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

"lingering in the air..." So many people have bought into the media's scare-mongering, it would be funny were it not so sad. As a retired ER RN & paramedic who worked through the AIDS & H1N1 time periods, we professionals did NOT take even half the precautions that the public afraid of COVID do. Common sense ruled the day. COVID is only "deadly" for a fraction of a percentage of the general population unless you have underlying health problems. Then wear a mask and social distance when around other people. I am in my late 60's and have been exposed to known tested persons with active COVID (as in sleeping next to my infected wife), never wore a mask, and never developed any symptoms (she only complained of an occasional cough & mild diarrhea).

News outlets thrive on stories of death & violence. "If it bleeds, it leads" is the age old axiom. One would think that the Black Death that occurred in the 1300's was upon us! The stress, anxiety, lonleiness & loss of income caused by the fear of COVID is far more damaging than the virus itself.

We need to enjoy the time we have left on this earth, so lets use some common sense and stop living in fear!

When I read one of the VERY few posts such as yours, it is a breath of fresh air as the saying goes. I am not a health professional, but had enough university classes in some areas to really make me question what is happening to the minds of people in our community. People (and the cable TV) blasts 24.7 about staying with "science" and the "facts", and my mind is saying to ME: could the facts of science concerning how bacteria, viruses, microbes, etc. behave, act, and interact, since I was talking classes and tests in grad school in the 80's ? ? The same "lingering" in the air, almost laying in wait for a victim. I stopped reading this with my morning coffee for awhile, not because I disagreed with these folks, but seeing how desperately afraid so many of my friends and neighbors are really depressed me. So destructive to have so many so fearful for so many months. It would sure be in the interest of everyone's health, if our leaders, and even our friends and neighbors here would write the REAL (as opposed to made up "facts" that fit someone's personal opinion) facts. Have seen a relative of mine, 72, good general health, no chronic conditions, become nearly obsessive. Does absolutely nothing now, orders food on line, does not shop in stores, wears a mask when walking her dog, and uses Lysol wipes to wipe down every single can, box, package of food, and even wipes her mail. I know what people must be thinking but NO, this is a person who has been reliable, very practical, logical, and has never been a person who obsesses on health, visits doctors constantly, or had a cabinet that looks like a pharmacy. I know up close and personal that this is doing some very strange things to people. If only the media would encourage and uplift people, not my sugar coating it, but by giving some balance. Can't even watch TV without endless pictures of exhausted health care workers just breaking down and weeping and BEGGING people to do exactly what my relative has fallen into.... caution, common sense, of course, but what YOU wrote may help more people than you will ever know !

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Dr. Michael Olsterholm said the vaccine will LIKELY be available around June or July to regular people. You can Google that! He has been right all along about CV predictions. Take that to the Google and CV BANK!

So. Dr. Michael Olsterholm appears to be picked for the next person in charge of the Pandemic in U.S.

He isn't an M.D.??

Dr's Fauci and Birx were M.D.s. with CDC. He lives in Minnesota.

Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH | CIDRAP

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So. Dr. Michael Olsterholm appears to be picked for the next person in charge of the Pandemic in U.S.

He isn't an M.D.??

Dr's Fauci and Birx were M.D.s. with CDC. He lives in Minnesota.

Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH | CIDRAP

He's a researcher. Not all researchers are MD's. Glad you edited out the part about him being in Wisconsin.



Michael Thomas Osterholm is an American epidemiologist, regents professor, and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

You are correct up to a point. That point, in my opinion, would be around 5th grade. YOUNG CHILDREN for some unknown (?) reason may have the CV but be asymptomatic AND not SPREAD it. Now, remember, adults are quite different. They can get it easily (about 50% in the Dakotas) and they can spread it easily. And it is serious! The Dakotas and that area are filling up their hospitals and their staffs are exhausted and catching CV.

That is why teachers (ADULTS) are deadly afraid to be in schools (indoor air problems). Nurses in Philadelphia are on strike. This IS all serious and unprecedented! I can NOT dismiss these facts and blame these facts on CNN. That is just bizzaro!

The CDC has said that children K-12 should be back in school. And I am in solid agreement with that.

My own kids have been back in school, working, seeing friends, going to the beach, even taking trips out of state. It has been a high priority of my own to make sure that my own kids have not been isolated and limited during this very difficult year.

In Florida, parents have always had the option to choose distance learning or brick and mortar for their children. Some have opted to home school. Parents know what's best for their own kids. I think that is a solidly good policy.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

He's a researcher. Not all researchers are MD's. Glad you edited out the part about him being in Wisconsin.



Michael Thomas Osterholm is an American epidemiologist, regents professor, and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

And he is a PHD not an M.D.

As for why I often confuse the two states that are way up there North of Chicago. I have only been to Minnesota once. One has excellent cheese they talk about a lot and the other is considered to have a lot of "Nice" people.

I just expected the person in charge of the Pandemic to be an M.D. Now I will research that. Maybe I'm wrong. I know that having an M.D. after your name is not a universally accepted reason to extol a person. However I usually am very honoring of M.D.s. AND most researchers.

I listened to and respected both Dr's Fauci and Birx directions.

It won't matter a lot in a very short time. Thank God.

WE HAVE THE VACCINE!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So. Dr. Michael Olsterholm appears to be picked for the next person in charge of the Pandemic in U.S.

He isn't an M.D.??

Dr's Fauci and Birx were M.D.s. with CDC. He lives in Minnesota.

Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH | CIDRAP

I see him all the time on the TV channels that I usually watch. His predictions on CV have been as or more accurate than that University of Washington group that does math modeling to predict the future behavior and amount of CV. Over a month ago Olsterholm predicted 200,000 cases by Jan1. He now says about 450,000 by March. And so does the U. of Wa. He is extremely sincere and intelligent! He worries about Thanksgiving.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I see him all the time on the TV channels that I usually watch. His predictions on CV have been as or more accurate than that University of Washington group that does math modeling to predict the future behavior and amount of CV. Over a month ago Olsterholm predicted 200,000 cases by Jan1. He now says about 450,000 by March. And so does the U. of Wa. He is extremely sincere and intelligent! He worries about Thanksgiving.

Me too. I worry about it too. It is my take that the cold weather is making the virus more contagious. We won't be having family or friends this year. Just the three of us.


Next year we will have company around our table....Whooooopppppppppppeeeeeeeee.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Really! You believe everything the media tells you?

Honestly, yes. Why would they lie? What media news sources do is put a slant on the news but they don't out and out lie. They also neglect (on purpose) to report a news story if it doesn't fit their agenda. That's how I see it anyway.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

I've also been doing a bit of research on that; difficult to do as just so many journalist type stories you really have to dig down to search out actual research studies, but yes, "aerosol effect" does NOT linger and wait to infect victims. Conclusions of studies done in such locations as super markets showed that even if an infected person sneezed in an isle, the chances of the next person coming down that isle passing thru a concentration great enough to cause risk was extremely low and those were studies using < > .05 !

I have not heard this but thank you for posting. I surely hope this information is true.

[Kilmacowen]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So. Dr. Michael Olsterholm appears to be picked for the next person in charge of the Pandemic in U.S.

He isn't an M.D.??

Dr's Fauci and Birx were M.D.s. with CDC. He lives in Minnesota.

Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH | CIDRAP

Dr Fauci and Dr Birx are currently with the WH team, unless they get fired like everyone else. They will certainly transition to Biden's team.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

He said that there was confusion, not lies. Give the man SOME credit for shedding much factual light on this bantered about topic often seen here on this forum.

Apparently you didn't read the last word in the last sentence, "fabricated". That is an accusation that I was lying.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life

5 minutes on google or good morning America does not make someone on expert. When a person quotes experts with words might or could shows that the so called experts have no clue.

I rely on the "experts". Those folks who have those letters at the end of their names such as MD certainly know more than I do. I rely on their knowledge to guide me. Thanks to all those who have that education and expertise.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

"lingering in the air..." So many people have bought into the media's scare-mongering, it would be funny were it not so sad. As a retired ER RN & paramedic who worked through the AIDS & H1N1 time periods, we professionals did NOT take even half the precautions that the public afraid of COVID do. Common sense ruled the day. COVID is only "deadly" for a fraction of a percentage of the general population unless you have underlying health problems. Then wear a mask and social distance when around other people. I am in my late 60's and have been exposed to known tested persons with active COVID (as in sleeping next to my infected wife), never wore a mask, and never developed any symptoms (she only complained of an occasional cough & mild diarrhea).



News outlets thrive on stories of death & violence. "If it bleeds, it leads" is the age old axiom. One would think that the Black Death that occurred in the 1300's was upon us! The stress, anxiety, lonleiness & loss of income caused by the fear of COVID is far more damaging than the virus itself.

We need to enjoy the time we have left on this earth, so lets use some common sense and stop living in fear!

You really slept next to your infected wife? No mask when around her? Sorry, but I will not take any advice you have to offer. But that's just me. Hope you both will be fine.