[Fraugoofy]

Originally Posted by JimD215

My wife and I currently rent in a courtyard villa. Today as we are in the house my cats come in like something was wrong. I looked out the window and see the landlords in the courtyard weeding. We have been landlords for years and always gave 24 hrs notice when we were coming over. I can see if they are doing something out front without notice but coming into the rear courtyard. Don’t think this is right.

I am a landlord in The Villages. I would certainly give 24 hours notice , even for weeding. However, furnished or unfurnished, I would never allow renters to have any kind of pets, especially cats. Finding a landlord that accepts cats is truly special. I would have an honest and appropriate conversation with your landlord and iron things out... best of luck!

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[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson

The OP's thread is NOT about cats!
His comment is about his right of privacy according to what his lease says.
The owner was wrong and I would have kicked his rear-end off the property.

YEP!

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson

In addition, you can't compare the owner entering the property unannounced versus a hired lawn service who would probably have to knock on your door to gain entry to the courtyard.
I am also assuming there is no lawn service employed to dig the weeds out of the cracks in the concrete.

Why would this landlord have to come into the courtyard to dig weeds out of the cracks in the concrete?
It would appear the landlord had an ulterior motive that made no sense.
I would be making plans to move; I wouldn't trust this landlord for a minute.

More yep.

[karostay]

The rental agreement say only professorial landscapers can pull weeds with out notice
All rental agreements I ever read were 24 hr right of entry not weed pulling

I bet land lord stops taking pets

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by JimD215

I did read it. 24 hrs notice. And tenants do have rights. Just like my tenants did

I don't understand why you don't call your landlord and have a conversation with him. That is the path to resolution.

[valuemkt]

Surely u jest Mrs Robinson .. A tenant is going to attempt to kick the landlord off of his own property while he is in the process of maintaining it ? That would invoke an immediate acceleration / eviction process, with the tenants clearly being put on the DO NOT RENT TO list mentioned by another poster. No one will prevent me from walking on or maintaining my property.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Surely u jest Mrs Robinson .. A tenant is going to attempt to kick the landlord off of his own property while he is in the process of maintaining it ? That would invoke an immediate acceleration / eviction process, with the tenants clearly being put on the DO NOT RENT TO list mentioned by another poster. No one will prevent me from walking on or maintaining my property.

Surely I DON'T jest!
I also don't consider pulling weeds out of the cracks in the concrete "maintaining" the property.

According to what I've read, the landlord may own the property, but has NO right to walk into his tenants' (private) courtyard unannounced.

According to what I've also read, 24 hours notice was to be given before showing up for any reason.
In addition, common courtesy would indicate that he would knock on the tenants' front door and not just walk in.

The tenants, by way of their lease, had every right to kick this landlord off their property.
The landlord, in this case, had no rights if what he did and the way he did it, according to what has been said in this thread, is 100% correct.

I won't say you are wrong but I will say you are dead wrong!

[l2ridehd]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson

Surely I DON'T jest!
I also don't consider pulling weeds out of the cracks in the concrete "maintaining" the property.

According to what I've read, the landlord may own the property, but has NO right to walk into his tenants' (private) courtyard unannounced.

According to what I've also read, 24 hours notice was to be given before showing up for any reason.
In addition, common courtesy would indicate that he would knock on the tenants' front door and not just walk in.

The tenants, by way of their lease, had every right to kick this landlord off their property.
The landlord, in this case, had no rights if what he did and the way he did it, according to what has been said in this thread, is 100% correct.

I won't say you are wrong but I will say you are dead wrong!

The real answer is knowing what the lease says and right now we only hear one side of that. My lease's clearly state that I must give 24 hours to enter the property.

It also clearly states that lawn, shrub, tree trimming and outside maintenance workers may enter the property to do required work between the hours of 7:30 AM and 5:30 PM, Monday through Saturday. It also states that work like pressure washing, garage doors, or any other outside/access work that requires working on the structure will be schedule with the tenant or after 24 hour notice. Any maintenance issues that involve any type of safety problem will be handle as quickly as possible with or without notice. Also states access with 24 hours notice to show prospective tenants the property within 7 days of lease termination. And a couple other items that involve access but are much less likely.

Now most landlords are reasonable people and we try to keep our tenants happy. 90% plus of my renters are repeats because of that. Most of the time when inside work is required they just tell me to come and do it weather they are there or not as I do 99% of that myself anyway. I do try to make it work that they are there, but if we really know each other well and have been working together for several years I do it either way.

So my guess is this tenant and landlord don't have a very good working relationship. Something else is going on. But as has been stated by others there are two sides to this story and we are only hearing one.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson

Surely I DON'T jest!
I also don't consider pulling weeds out of the cracks in the concrete "maintaining" the property.

According to what I've read, the landlord may own the property, but has NO right to walk into his tenants' (private) courtyard unannounced.

According to what I've also read, 24 hours notice was to be given before showing up for any reason.
In addition, common courtesy would indicate that he would knock on the tenants' front door and not just walk in.

The tenants, by way of their lease, had every right to kick this landlord off their property.
The landlord, in this case, had no rights if what he did and the way he did it, according to what has been said in this thread, is 100% correct.

I won't say you are wrong but I will say you are dead wrong!

......

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I don't understand why you don't call your landlord and have a conversation with him. That is the path to resolution.

I agree. I think seeing someone unexpected in my yard would give me quite a scare. Just say, you frightened me and please knock next time. They would understand.

[queasy27]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

But as has been stated by others there are two sides to this story and we are only hearing one.

What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by queasy27

What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

It’s unusual for tenet to be responsible for water, sewer,trash, amenities fees, and maintenance of property inside or out. Anything done on outside of home has a 9 to 6pm weekday without notice. When we rented from the Villages in 07 maitance guys came and weeded and sprayed in the CV we were renting without notice. But then again for us we never have had such a disconnect between two parties.

I would just discuss with owner.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by JimD215

Waiting for our house to sell up north so we can purchase. Should be in contract to sell this week.

Problem solved. I suspect you only have a couple more weeks to bare it out. Seems like owning is a much better fit than renting for your situation. You didn't rent again for next year did you ?

[JimD215]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Problem solved. I suspect you only have a couple more weeks to bare it out. Seems like owning is a much better fit than renting for your situation. You didn't rent again for next year did you ?

No. We only rented for a year knowing we would be purchasing once the house sold. As of now closing is scheduled for May 31st. Still would have 5 months left on the lease

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I agree. I think seeing someone unexpected in my yard would give me quite a scare. Just say, you frightened me and please knock next time. They would understand.

This is a good resolution to this situation.

[l2ridehd]

Originally Posted by queasy27

What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

It may be out there, but in 10 years of owning rentals and helping others with rentals, I have never seen a lease that required notice for doing outside work. Most owners have no idea when their lawn, shrub, weeding, or pest control people are showing up to do outside work. There are to many uncontrollable things that cause schedules to change. Almost all have a 24 hour notice for entering the home. And in my personal leases I provide a clause giving 24 hour notice for outside work on the structure itself, (power washing ie) but even that is unusual.