[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

My thoughts, as well. Have also been doing a fair bit of pondering about what "might" be a significant issue that I don't think I've seen specifically addressed.

Seems to me that it might not be enough to merely say "yield to any vehicle already in the RA", nor even to go by the rule of thumb to "never be 'beside' a vehicle that is in the "inside" lane. I keep coming back to two concepts that I always struggle with - and wish that I didn't. Brings back memories of slogging through calculus courses, too.

Anyway, have often heard that it ain't "speed" that kills, it's the *differential* in rates of speed. Add to that the concepts of acceleration and deceleration, and my poor head really starts spinning - changes in *rates* of speed. That latter is where I'm picturing an issue that I suspect might deserve more discussion concerning these cool and potentially efficient traffic control devices.

Picture this scenario. An "inside" lane vehicle is approaching as you are dutifully slowing as you approach the RA. You time your "deceleration" such that you enter a car length or two *behind* this "right of way holding", inside vehicle. As you now accelerate back up to the 20mph rate allowed for this intersection, the inside vehicle, whom you know to have the right - and possible inclination - to freely exit at the very nearby next exit, and needing to cross your "now -accelerating" path, *decelerates* - *especially* with respect to "forward progress", as he has essentially slowed to *0* mph relative to *that* direction - which coincides with the direction in which you are currently *accelerating*. It's as if someone had passed you, changed lanes, and immediately "brake-checked" you for the period of time that it takes for him to completely cross your "outside" lane.

I ain't good enough at math to figger out what a good rule of thumb would be for how far (car lengths?) you should allow that inside vehicle to be ahead of you before you start entering (which would differ significantly depending on whether you had stopped or were merely slowing) nor how many seconds (Mississippis?) one should wait following the passage of said insider so as to ensure space for his potential, immediate exit to occur, stress free. Bet there's tons of retired engineers here in The Villages who could whip something up right quick for me. They could even leave out all the stuff on jerk, jounce, flounce, and pounce. :-)

My own, current rule of thumb for dealing with this scenario is to minimize my acceleration until it is totally clear to me whether this "insider" is or is not going to take that first exit option. I strongly suspect that this thumb rule is similar to that of most everybody *else's*, but would think that maybe finding a means of *emphasizing* it for the newbie - as well as for the "non-believers" :-) who cannot fathom a scenario which allows for another vehicle to turn across their path.

I'm working on controlling my inclination towards road rage when the guy behind me blows his horn or aggressively tailgates when I don't enter the RA at a rate that suits him. :-)

This should be good for another 200 responses.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

OK. So, after being told that you should have seen him, you now say that he "was probably traveling south on Morse behind me".

Yes, that is exactly correct. He was too close to me to be able to speed up and cut me off. He entered the RAB right behind me in the inside lane right after I had entered the RAB in the outside lane. It is very clear in my mind now after I traveled that same route yesterday. He was wrong.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This should be good for another 200 responses.

I think that poster is over thinking it.

[VApeople]

I was in the right lane of Morse road waiting to enter the Moyer-Pinellas roundabout. There was a car left of me also waiting to enter the roundabout.

When the traffic cleared out, we both started going, but I let the person on my left get in front of me.

To my surprise, he cut me off and turned right. I was shocked, so I slowed down and let him make his right turn. No harm done.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by VApeople

I was in the right lane of Morse road waiting to enter the Moyer-Pinellas roundabout. There was a car left of me also waiting to enter the roundabout.

When the traffic cleared out, we both started going, but I let the person on my left get in front of me.

To my surprise, he cut me off and turned right. I was shocked, so I slowed down and let him make his right turn. No harm done.

This time…….

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I think that poster is over thinking it.

I get that a lot. :-)

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This time…….

Surprisingly, it happened two more times in the next few weeks. That was about three years ago and it has not happened since.

I guess we slow drivers have more time to react.

[Davonu]

Originally Posted by VApeople

I was in the right lane of Morse road waiting to enter the Moyer-Pinellas roundabout. There was a car left of me also waiting to enter the roundabout.

When the traffic cleared out, we both started going, but I let the person on my left get in front of me.

To my surprise, he cut me off and turned right. I was shocked, so I slowed down and let him make his right turn. No harm done.

Gotta admit, I'm not sure why you were shocked. You intentionally let him get in front of you, then he turned right which is a perfectly legal move. For you to complete your "I let the person on my left get in front of me" gesture, you should have given him enough space to safely do exactly what he did with nobody being shocked. He did nothing wrong.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Davonu

Gotta admit, I'm not sure why you were shocked. You intentionally let him get in front of you, then he turned right which is a perfectly legal move. For you to complete your "I let the person on my left get in front of me" gesture, you should have given him enough space to safely do exactly what he did with nobody being shocked. He did nothing wrong.

He did something quite wrong. If I understand the situation correctly, the vehicle entering the RAB in the inside lane exited at the first exit. This is completely wrong. Credit goes to the driver in the outside lane for avoiding the collision.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Davonu

Gotta admit, I'm not sure why you were shocked. You intentionally let him get in front of you, then he turned right which is a perfectly legal move. For you to complete your "I let the person on my left get in front of me" gesture, you should have given him enough space to safely do exactly what he did with nobody being shocked. He did nothing wrong.

OMG!!!! This is EXACTLY why there are problems in a RB. People who have NO CLUE what they are doing. You think it is perfectly legal to take the first exit from the inner lane? Even after about 50 posts on this thread have educated you to the opposite? Even after they post big direction signs at the entrance to the RB? Even after they hand you the Sumter County instruction booklet for navigating RBs??? 250+ posts and people STILL DON'T GET IT. Please stay far, far away from me in a RB. Pretty please with sugar on top.

[Davonu]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OMG!!!! This is EXACTLY why there are problems in a RB. People who have NO CLUE what they are doing. You think it is perfectly legal to take the first exit from the inner lane? Even after about 50 posts on this thread have educated you to the opposite? Even after they post big direction signs at the entrance to the RB? Even after they hand you the Sumter County instruction booklet for navigating RBs??? 250+ posts and people STILL DON'T GET IT. Please stay far, far away from me in a RB. Pretty please with sugar on top.

OMG!! I misread the post I quoted! golfing eagles is 100% correct!! Consider my apology sent...and I hope you like the copious amounts of sugar on its surface!! Please put me back on your "I would drive a roundabout with this guy" list!! You too, Bill14564. You got me too!

And my apologies to you too, VAPeople. The driver in the inside lane was totally wrong. You were the accident-preventer.

Okay, I'm done. I hope you will all take me off your 'idiot' list...please!!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Davonu

OMG!! I misread the post I quoted! golfing eagles is 100% correct!! Consider my apology sent...and I hope you like the copious amounts of sugar on its surface!! Please put me back on your "I would drive a roundabout with this guy" list!! You too, Bill14564. You got me too!

And my apologies to you too, VAPeople. The driver in the inside lane was totally wrong. You were the accident-preventer.

Okay, I'm done. I hope you will all take me off your 'idiot' list...please!!

Consider it done. I thought you probably didn't really know what the poster was stating happened, so I went for the shock value. But while you're OK, how many of the ridiculous posters on this thread are still a danger to us all?

[Bogie Shooter]

Now if the other 150+ wrong posters would fess up.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Davonu

Gotta admit, I'm not sure why you were shocked. You intentionally let him get in front of you, then he turned right which is a perfectly legal move. For you to complete your "I let the person on my left get in front of me" gesture, you should have given him enough space to safely do exactly what he did with nobody being shocked. He did nothing wrong.

If the guy who entered the inside lane exited at his first exit, he would be wrong. Entering the inside lane, the driver must exit at his second, third or forth exit.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

If the guy who entered the inside lane exited at his first exit, he would be wrong. Entering the inside lane, the driver must exit at his second, third or forth exit.

A driver in the inner lane can also drive the inner circle and then take the right exit he/she missed when entering the RAB. The first exit is not forbidden by the driver in the left lane. He/she has to do it correctly.