[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by JRW8219

Thank you! All the other scenarios pointed out by posters can't happen if Yield is followed as the first rule. Gracie's picture is the way it is at EVERY roundabout in TV. Should be no confusion but somehow there is.

There is NO discussion here. The painting on the roads needs to be some solid and some dash because you can (depending on your entry point) cross from the inside to an outside exit legally based on the pictures. As long as it isn't from the just previous entrance to the roundabout. Just go by the pics and everything is just fine.

Originally Posted by JRW8219

As I mentioned above the lines are actually properly painted. If you understand the rules of: 1. Yield 2. If you are taking the first right - be in the right lane upon entering. 3. Be in either lane when entering if you want to go straight. 4. Be in the left lane when entering if going straight or going around 3/4 to take a left (or just keep circling)

Why is this so hard to understand? Good explanation!

[JB in TV]

For the sake of clarity....

From the right lane approaching the roundabout, intending to make the first right where there is an entrance gate...with the standard visitor's lane on the left and resident's lane on the right, how does one get to the visitor's gate (on the left) without crossing the solid white line that starts just as the exit road begins (outside the roundbout)??

For this scenario, lets assume the roundabout in question is the one in the title of this thread...so southbound on Morse, to westbound on Pinellas.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by JB in TV

For the sake of clarity....

From the right lane approaching the roundabout, intending to make the first right where there is an entrance gate...with the standard visitor's lane on the left and resident's lane on the right, how does one get to the visitor's gate (on the left) without crossing the solid white line that starts just as the exit road begins (outside the roundbout)??

For this scenario, lets assume the roundabout in question is the one in the title of this thread...so southbound on Morse, to westbound on Pinellas.

Just exit into the visitor lane. There should be no one else going there UNLESS someone is trying to make that same turn from the left lane beside you OR you didn't yield to someone already in the roundabout who intends to exit into the same gate.

[e-flyer]

Originally Posted by n8xwb

IT IS CLEAR AND SIMPLE. If you enter the roundabout in the right lane, you must make the first right turn, or continue and exit at the second. If you enter the roundabout in the left lane, you may not make the first exit regardless of how many lanes that exit has. From the left lane, you can use the second, or third exit. Regardless of which lane you use when entering the roundabout, you must yield to all traffic already in the circle.

Easy to understand and correct.

[dotti105]

Obviously if you are traveling in the roundabout in the left lane, passing the first exit, you would "YIELD" and cautiously move into the right lane to be in position to exit.

No one should get T-boned, as the drivers entering the roundabout are "YIELDING" and would not drive into the side of a vehicle already traveling in the roundabout.

"Indydealmaker", the diagram you show only shows two vehicles and shows all future exits make from left lane. I wonder if the intention was to show how to merge left and continue around in that lane until approaching your exit. Making the left lane the "traveling lane" and the right lane the "exit lane". That is not what is shown, but I am wondering if that is the intent designed to show drivers unfamiliar with roundabouts how to proceed to the 2-3rd exit.

We have lots of roundabout in Utah and also had them 20 years ago in Clearwater, Fl. That is how they were used. If they are used here with both left and right lane allowed to exit, or left lane allowed to exit across ongoing right lane traffic, then no wonder everyone is confused.

What can be more dangerous than lots of over 55 drivers, driving in areas with which they are unfamiliar, and the roundabout being used with several sets of "Rules" according to the signage and street marking??

Recipe for disaster!

My husband works for the Utah DOT. This will drive him nuts!!!

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by dotti105

Obviously if you are traveling in the roundabout in the left lane, passing the first exit, you would "YIELD" and cautiously move into the right lane to be in position to exit.

No one should get T-boned, as the drivers entering the roundabout are "YIELDING" and would not drive into the side of a vehicle already traveling in the roundabout.

"Indydealmaker", the diagram you show only shows two vehicles and shows all future exits make from left lane. I wonder if the intention was to show how to merge left and continue around in that lane until approaching your exit. Making the left lane the "traveling lane" and the right lane the "exit lane". That is not what is shown, but I am wondering if that is the intent designed to show drivers unfamiliar with roundabouts how to proceed to the 2-3rd exit.

We have lots of roundabout in Utah and also had them 20 years ago in Clearwater, Fl. That is how they were used. If they are used here with both left and right lane allowed to exit, or left lane allowed to exit across ongoing right lane traffic, then no wonder everyone is confused.

What can be more dangerous than lots of over 55 drivers, driving in areas with which they are unfamiliar, and the roundabout being used with several sets of "Rules" according to the signage and street marking??

Recipe for disaster!

My husband works for the Utah DOT. This will drive him nuts!!!

I guess there are different rules in different areas for roundabouts. The signs are not showing merging intentions, as once in the roundabout, you are not supposed to change lanes except to exit to a two-lane gate, in which case there is a dotted line. In The Villages, it is a definite NO-NO to enter a roundabout in the right lane and go 3/4 around. If there is an accident and you are in the wrong lane, you will be at fault and be ticketed.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by dotti105

Obviously if you are traveling in the roundabout in the left lane, passing the first exit, you would "YIELD" and cautiously move into the right lane to be in position to exit.

No one should get T-boned, as the drivers entering the roundabout are "YIELDING" and would not drive into the side of a vehicle already traveling in the roundabout.

"Indydealmaker", the diagram you show only shows two vehicles and shows all future exits make from left lane. I wonder if the intention was to show how to merge left and continue around in that lane until approaching your exit. Making the left lane the "traveling lane" and the right lane the "exit lane". That is not what is shown, but I am wondering if that is the intent designed to show drivers unfamiliar with roundabouts how to proceed to the 2-3rd exit.

We have lots of roundabout in Utah and also had them 20 years ago in Clearwater, Fl. That is how they were used. If they are used here with both left and right lane allowed to exit, or left lane allowed to exit across ongoing right lane traffic, then no wonder everyone is confused.

What can be more dangerous than lots of over 55 drivers, driving in areas with which they are unfamiliar, and the roundabout being used with several sets of "Rules" according to the signage and street marking??

Recipe for disaster!

My husband works for the Utah DOT. This will drive him nuts!!!

The Roundabouts are designed so that you DO NOT change lanes within the roundabout. If you are making a right turn into a two lane street, you stay in the left lane to make the transition.

[djrudd]

You are absolutely correct. It seems nobody pays attention to the large green signs posted before the roundabouts. These signs were erected two years ago and they are simply ignored.

[Bogie Shooter]

Even more about roundabouts.

[LittleDog]

Originally Posted by djrudd

You are absolutely correct. It seems nobody pays attention to the large green signs posted before the roundabouts. These signs were erected two years ago and they are simply ignored.

However it seems to me that more people are using the left lane when going 3/4 around the roundabout which is what they should do. I see some improvement.

John

[perrjojo]

Why all the confusion? Just watch the car next to you and drive accordingly. Also someone mentioned a horrible crash may happen. A crash may happen but if you are driving the speed limit, it will not be a horrible crash.

[MikeV]

Originally Posted by LittleDog

Then they'd need to repaint the road markings. I got cutoff the other day when I was in the right lane and someone in the left lane exited the roundabout from the inside lane

John

[tommy steam]

All I can add to this discussion is to be a VERY DEFENSIVE driver. Some people take the time to understand how to use the roundabouts and some don't have a clue . I live in that area and saw an accident about two weeks ago on the roundabout. Inside lane turned right into the gate and hit the car in the outside lane.

[Neal2tire]

thanks to my reading talk of TV last night my wife and I have instituted a new rule for our family. When coming around a traffic circle AND we find ourselves on the inside lane (left lane) we simply follow that lane right into the visitors entrance. We then use our card as if we were in the residents entrance and head in.
Today we did it and it was simple, safe and easy. Like butta'

[Matzy]

The roundabout are actually the simplest way to circulate traffic continousely. The problem is for a lot of people that to use it correctly because they never learned it. If I am in the right lane I can turn right or go straight. Leaving the circle (roundabout) use the blinker to the right. That is another big problem for a lot of people, using the blinker at the right place in the right time.
Left lane go straight (circle) but somewhere (usually on a two lane road) you have to go to the right, using for that blinker to the right again. As already mentioned by "renrod" you can or even better for your safety- you should switch the lane only if the marker line is dashed.
A roundabout is a traffic invention to keep traffic flowing and it is not constructed for high speed driving.
You can find good descriptions on flyers which you can get inside the federal building (Main library). If everybody would follow that what is written on those flyers nobody would have any problems.