[Bonny]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Yesterday, a car entering the RB from the inside lane, exited at the first right exit...right in front of me. It was the second time this has happened to me. According to the Sheriff's department, I would have been ticketed if I had t-boned one of those cars.

Yes, the person in the right lane will get the ticket.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bonny

Yes, the person in the right lane will get the ticket.

Yes. And the person exiting from the inside lane was in the wrong, according to the signage.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Yes. And the person exiting from the inside lane was in the wrong, according to the signage.

The only times you would exit from the inside lane is when you are either going straight through the RAB or 3/4 of the way around after entering the RAB in the inside(left) lane. To be T-boned by a car in the outside lane, that car would have to have entered the RAB from your right when it should have yielded to you in the RAB, or that car tried to go 3/4 of the way around in the outside (right) lane. In either case, the driver in the right lane is wrong and deserves the ticket.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by outlaw

What good are the rules if they say every exit can be accessed from either lane depending on where one enters? You might as well say to use either lane to exit, period.

Nope. Not the same thing at all.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

The only times you would exit from the inside lane is when you are either going straight through the RAB or 3/4 of the way around after entering the RAB in the inside(left) lane. To be T-boned by a car in the outside lane, that car would have to have entered the RAB from your right when it should have yielded to you in the RAB, or that car tried to go 3/4 of the way around in the outside (right) lane. In either case, the driver in the right lane is wrong and deserves the ticket.

What I said is that these cars exited THEIR first exit from the left lane. THEY did not follow the "rules".

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Nope. Not the same thing at all.

Probably a better sign would be "enter and exit at your own risk".

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by outlaw

What I said is that these cars exited THEIR first exit from the left lane. THEY did not follow the "rules".

Yes. I saw that problem frequently at the RAB on Morse at Pinellas. Before Morse was opened farther south cars either had to go around to the driving range or fire station or exit onto Pinellas. As a result, I saw many cars and contractor trucks use the left(inside) lane to exit to the visitor lane of Pinellas. As I feared, some people have continued the practice.

A similar problem at the same location was people exiting :Pinellas before Morse was opened south just pulled out into the RAB because there was little or no traffic continuing around the RAB. Once Morse was opened, some continued the practice causing problems with people continuing south through the RAB.

However, these are people problems, not design problems with the RAB or signage.

[Dynsol]

Originally Posted by MikeV

You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?

Agree...Arrows are a universal language on any road. English not required!

[Wavy Chips]

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[Wavy Chips]

Would any of these help?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Wavy Chips

Would any of these help?

Those pictures accurately portray the clarity of the TV RB signage. Clear as mud!

[graciegirl]

How long have you been here, Outlaw? Six months? Usually the roundabouts pose problems for newbies for awhile, but eventually folks figure it out. I think they are fine the way they are and all you need to remember is to be VERY careful of others in the roundabout at the same time. They may be making an unexpected exit, so stay away from them.


I can only remember reading about a couple of accidents in roundabouts in the past eight years. Because of cars either stopping or slowly entering the speed is generally low and the accidents are not life threatening. So much safer than people blowing stop lights.

[Philip Drugge]

I lived in New England most of my life. We NEVER had this much trouble with roundabouts or rotaries. In almost all instances traffic is limited to ONE lane going into the rotary. If there are two lanes (think El Camino Real at Savannah center) paint lines that channel all cars to one lane. Then, in the rotary, have one lane painted or none at all. Rotary traffic has the right of way. Cars entering merge into that traffic and exit wherever they wish from one lane going around. Cars exiting should signal to let the person behind them know they are turning off.

After witnessing an accident in a rotary where a vehicle in the inside lane, closest to the center, struck a car on his right while trying to exit, I went and spoke to Pete Wahl, the big guy at one time. I told him of this solution and he said there is so much traffic in TV that it wouldn't work. This was when there were a lot less folks here. At that point I said, you've never been to Boston and left. Right now I am on Cape Cod and the are many of these rotaries in the area. They are all one lane in, one lane around, and one or two on exiting

I know of no reason, save stubbornness or stupidity for not trying this simple plan. Of course, there would be less demand for tow trucks and ambulances if it works!!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How long have you been here, Outlaw? Six months? Usually the roundabouts pose problems for newbies for awhile, but eventually folks figure it out. I think they are fine the way they are and all you need to remember is to be VERY careful of others in the roundabout at the same time. They may be making an unexpected exit, so stay away from them.


I can only remember reading about a couple of accidents in roundabouts in the past eight years. Because of cars either stopping or slowly entering the speed is generally low and the accidents are not life threatening. So much safer than people blowing stop lights.

Every one reading this report ONLY if you have witnessed a collision in the circles. I have not. Time here eight years.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Every one reading tis report ONLY if you have witnessed a collision in the circles. I have not. Time here eight years.

Time here one year; witnessed one accident a couple of weeks ago. I like RBs. I love RBs compared to lights. But one lane is the way to go. Been there, done that; it works. BTW, I understand the signs. The problem is, like most of us, new people to the area see the signs as confusing. Just ask a person visiting and hear their response. I have yet to meet a newbie that understood the signs. I'm not concerned with my ability to follow the rules of engagement. I'm concerned about others. I have been cut off twice by people entering from the inside lane and exiting at the first exit. I witnessed a man today enter from the inside lane, then move to the outside lane, exiting the second exit. Now, I ignore the signs. I consider them worthless. People exit from any lane regardless of the signs.