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Old 12-18-2018, 10:13 PM
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Do what you want and you have a good point about the gates. On the other hand they are unique to TV. RAB are all over the world. Not changing lanes in the RAB is the law.


I do this many times to enter the Hillsborough gate and it's legal to change lanes in this roundabout - follow the red line-
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I do this many times to enter the Hillsborough gate and it's legal to change lanes in this roundabout - follow the red line-
Attached again is the guide to navigating Sumter County roundabouts published by the Sumter County Board Of Commissioners. Clearly in Column 1 Paragraph 3 third bullet in red print says "do not change lanes in a roundabout". Not all laws on the books make sense.
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Attached again is the guide to navigating Sumter County roundabouts published by the Sumter County Board Of Commissioners. Clearly in Column 1 Paragraph 3 third bullet in red print says "do not change lanes in a roundabout". Not all laws on the books make sense.
And that is not a law but only a suggestion as pointed out to me by a Sumter County engineer when I inquired into the markings of this roundabout.
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And that is not a law but only a suggestion as pointed out to me by a Sumter County engineer when I inquired into the markings of this roundabout.
Happy trails to you. Thanks for the feedback. Please forward your Engineer's response to the Sumter County Commissioners so they will consider changing their pamphlet at the next revision. My "suggestion" would be change the bold solid red statement "Do Not Change Lanes in the Roundabout" to user friendly dotted yellow print/font.

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If the dotted lines are for entering the RAB, why can't an exit be navigated too while crossing those dotted lines? I never change lanes in a RAB while circulating the RAB. I do follow the rule for that. However, when I circulate in the inside lane to make a "left turn", as I'm exiting, if there are no cars in site, I change lanes as I exit. As I have already said, I go through the resident gate and do not ever intend to go through a visitor gate.
What is so bad about the visitors gate?
The queue is usually shorter, and your card still works there.
Or.
Are you a "Resident" snob?
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:35 PM
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And that is not a law but only a suggestion as pointed out to me by a Sumter County engineer when I inquired into the markings of this roundabout.
Speaking of which, I have yet to find a single actual Florida statute/law...that applies specifically to roundabouts.

Lots of "Guidelines & Informational Guides"...but NO actual statutes.

Leading one to believe, that from a legal standpoint (in the roundabout itself)...they are a kind of 'anything-is-legal-land.'

Anyone out there, that can link to actual Florida statutes and/or laws...applying to roundabouts??

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Speaking of which, I have yet to find a single actual Florida statute/law...that applies specifically to roundabouts.

Lots of "Guidelines & Informational Guides"...but NO actual statutes.

Leading one to believe, that from a legal standpoint (in the roundabout itself)...they are a kind of 'anything-is-legal-land.'

Anyone out there, that can link to actual Florida statutes and/or laws...applying to roundabouts??

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According to this...

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:->2018->Chapter 316
:

Online Sunshine



This is about as close to a statute regarding roundabouts...that I can see.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine


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316.088 One-way roadways and rotary traffic islands.—
(1) The Department of Transportation and local authorities, with respect to highways under their respective jurisdictions, may designate any highway, roadway, part of a roadway, or specific lanes upon which vehicular traffic shall proceed in one direction at such times as shall be indicated by official traffic control devices.
(2) Upon a roadway so designated for one-way traffic, a vehicle shall be driven only in the direction designated at such times as shall be indicated by official traffic control devices.
(3) A vehicle passing around a rotary traffic island shall be driven only to the right of such island.
(4) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
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but i don't think what coffeebean describes is a lane change. It's simply exiting the roundabout...at a dashed line...and performing a legal lane change over that dashed line.
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What is so bad about the visitors gate?
The queue is usually shorter, and your card still works there.
Or.
Are you a "Resident" snob?
I don't like to wait for visitors to receive directions from the gate attendant. Gates that don't have an attendant have folks seemingly baffled as to what to do sometimes as they get to the gate. I just don't want to be delayed going through the gate if possible. Yes, I guess I am a resident snob. Sorry.
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According to this...

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:->2018->Chapter 316
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Online Sunshine



This is about as close to a statute regarding roundabouts...that I can see.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine
Go to 3rd exit in the right lane and hit the vehicle in the left lane and see who gets the ticket? Pull out in the right lane when traffic in the roundabout cause there no traffic in the right lane and hit the car in the left lane exiting and see who gets the ticket? The signs and guidelines aren’t just suggestions. When accident occurs something has to be at fault
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I don't like to wait for visitors to receive directions from the gate attendant. Gates that don't have an attendant have folks seemingly baffled as to what to do sometimes as they get to the gate. I just don't want to be delayed going through the gate if possible. Yes, I guess I am a resident snob. Sorry.
If you are a resident what are you doing in the visitor lane?
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If you are a resident what are you doing in the visitor lane?
I am a resident and use that lane many times. Why not?
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Go to 3rd exit in the right lane and hit the vehicle in the left lane and see who gets the ticket? Pull out in the right lane when traffic in the roundabout cause there no traffic in the right lane and hit the car in the left lane exiting and see who gets the ticket? The signs and guidelines aren’t just suggestions. When accident occurs something has to be at fault
Link to some type of legitimate proof...of your opinion?
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Go to 3rd exit in the right lane and hit the vehicle in the left lane and see who gets the ticket? Pull out in the right lane when traffic in the roundabout cause there no traffic in the right lane and hit the car in the left lane exiting and see who gets the ticket? The signs and guidelines aren’t just suggestions. When accident occurs something has to be at fault
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Link to some type of legitimate proof...of your opinion?
Guide to using roundabout in Sumter County Florida.

https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf

Choose your lane:

Approaching a two lane roundabout, make a lane choice
according to the following rules:
• If you intend to exit the roundabout more than halfway
around, use the LEFT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to exit the roundabout less than halfway
around, use the RIGHT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to continue straight through, use either
lane unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.

If I were the cop working a roundabout accident, I think the outside lane driver going to the third exit would get an "Improper Lane Usage" ticket.
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:25 PM
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Guide to using roundabout in Sumter County Florida.

https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf

Choose your lane:

Approaching a two lane roundabout, make a lane choice
according to the following rules:
• If you intend to exit the roundabout more than halfway
around, use the LEFT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to exit the roundabout less than halfway
around, use the RIGHT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to continue straight through, use either
lane unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.

If I were the cop working a roundabout accident, I think the outside lane driver going to the third exit would get an "Improper Lane Usage" ticket.

Please reread posts #51 & #52.
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