[rsmurano]

Originally Posted by Altavia

There should be a distinction between pedal assisted and throttle controlled which are essentially electric motor cycles?

Why? What has a throttle have to do with anything? E-bikes have governors on them to restrict their mph similar to golf carts where motorcycles don’t. Motorcycles have to be street legal which means they have to go faster speeds than what our paths allow

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

This idea won't work. Throttle ebikes are, with almost no exception, hub drive models. Hub drives have the motor in the hub vice at the crank (mid drive). Hub drives are far cheaper.

What you are effectively proposing is only those who ride $2,500 + bike can use this path.

What? You want to spend only 995.00 on a ebike? Sorry!

And I'm still trying to grasp what the point is???

Originally Posted by rustyp

Village of Lowville NY population < 4000 has ban E Bikes.

By 7 News Staff
Published: Nov. 17, 2022 at 5:46 AM EST
LOWVILLE, New York (WWNY) - Lowville will ban motorized vehicles like ATVs inside the village.

Trustees approved a new law Wednesday night banning vehicles like snowmobiles, ATVs, 4-wheelers, and e-bikes.

About a dozen people went to the public forum, discussing concerns about Lewis County’s rails-to-trails program, which would repurpose old railroad tracks for recreation.

“The village board felt we needed a law on the books that we could regulate those type of vehicles, especially now with the county buying up the railhead,” Mayor Joseph Beagle said. “We’re in favor of walking trails and regular bicycle trails but we don’t want to see snowmobiles screaming through the middle of the village.”

Before you jump all over me I like E Bikes. Thinking of getting one myself. I am having second thoughts when I see these controversies popping up. I believe The Villages bike clubs have already banned a certain type of E Bikes on their rides.

Is this a sign of things to come ?

What happens in NY, CA, IL, and the like should stay in NY, CA, IL and the like. This is FL where thank God we have a Gov that is doing his best to keep the cancer from spreading here and one who cares about the smallest details - like E bikes. E-bikes are not motorized vehicles for those who do not know. They do offer an advantage so it is understandable that certain level group rides would not want to allow them, even with the drafting advantage.

[MX rider]

Originally Posted by Topgun 1776

Let's review....Villagers complain about walkers on MMP! (Stay on the sidewalk!). No cyclists on the MMP! (Should be on the road!). No cyclists on the road! (Should be on the MMP!). Cyclists should stop at EVERY stop sign! (Cyclists go to slow and impede car traffic!).

So much complaining to do, so little time!

Well said. Lmao!!

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Why? What has a throttle have to do with anything? E-bikes have governors on them to restrict their mph similar to golf carts where motorcycles don’t. Motorcycles have to be street legal which means they have to go faster speeds than what our paths allow

Class 3 can do 28 mph stock and modified to go much faster. Have not seen that here but been passed by an ebike doing 35+ elsewhere.

The genie is out of the bottle, that's life.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Village of Lowville NY population < 4000 has ban E Bikes.

By 7 News Staff
Published: Nov. 17, 2022 at 5:46 AM EST
LOWVILLE, New York (WWNY) - Lowville will ban motorized vehicles like ATVs inside the village.

Trustees approved a new law Wednesday night banning vehicles like snowmobiles, ATVs, 4-wheelers, and e-bikes.

About a dozen people went to the public forum, discussing concerns about Lewis County’s rails-to-trails program, which would repurpose old railroad tracks for recreation.

“The village board felt we needed a law on the books that we could regulate those type of vehicles, especially now with the county buying up the railhead,” Mayor Joseph Beagle said. “We’re in favor of walking trails and regular bicycle trails but we don’t want to see snowmobiles screaming through the middle of the village.”

Before you jump all over me I like E Bikes. Thinking of getting one myself. I am having second thoughts when I see these controversies popping up. I believe The Villages bike clubs have already banned a certain type of E Bikes on their rides.

Is this a sign of things to come ?

No.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Class 3 can do 28 mph stock and modified to go much faster. Have not seen that here but been passed by an ebike doing 35+ elsewhere.

The genie is out of the bottle, that's life.

Throttles are restricted to 20 MPH. If I wish to go 28 MPH on my class 3 eBike, I would have to choose the highest power setting and the highest gear and peddle my brains out. That's just not going to happen for anything over 2 minutes.

[Byte1]

Several countries in Europe are banning ebikes. I read that one country is banning it because of the limited power grid and the limited fossil fuel available due to Russia's war. They are also limiting businesses from having their thermostats higher than about 68F. I would think that they must be pretty desperate if they are worried about ebikes charging, which would be a very little draw on the power grid.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Altavia

If you don't have to pedal, you should stay on the MMP's/Diamond Lanes. 20+ MPH on the walking paths is dangerous.

Agree 1000%
My electric golf cart can do 24mph, and Sunday I was passed by an Ebike! In my youth I wonder if I could ride that fast on a bike. I certainly wouldn't do it on a side walk with people on it. Walking paths are narrower than the MMP's. Walking paths were designed to separate motorized traffic from non-motorized.
It won't be long before we get out first fatality....or fatalities when an out of control Ebike plows into a walker or group of walkers.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Village of Lowville NY population < 4000 has ban E Bikes.

By 7 News Staff
Published: Nov. 17, 2022 at 5:46 AM EST
LOWVILLE, New York (WWNY) - Lowville will ban motorized vehicles like ATVs inside the village.

Trustees approved a new law Wednesday night banning vehicles like snowmobiles, ATVs, 4-wheelers, and e-bikes.

About a dozen people went to the public forum, discussing concerns about Lewis County’s rails-to-trails program, which would repurpose old railroad tracks for recreation.

“The village board felt we needed a law on the books that we could regulate those type of vehicles, especially now with the county buying up the railhead,” Mayor Joseph Beagle said. “We’re in favor of walking trails and regular bicycle trails but we don’t want to see snowmobiles screaming through the middle of the village.”

Before you jump all over me I like E Bikes. Thinking of getting one myself. I am having second thoughts when I see these controversies popping up. I believe The Villages bike clubs have already banned a certain type of E Bikes on their rides.

Is this a sign of things to come ?

Gosh there are regulations for most things. Oh and no matter what people will object to regulations. We see endless debate about golf cart speeds. When is a E-Bike a motor cycle where you need plates, a license, INSURANCE.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers

What happens in NY, CA, IL, and the like should stay in NY, CA, IL and the like. This is FL where thank God we have a Gov that is doing his best to keep the cancer from spreading here and one who cares about the smallest details - like E bikes. E-bikes are not motorized vehicles for those who do not know. They do offer an advantage so it is understandable that certain level group rides would not want to allow them, even with the drafting advantage.

Huh? Not motorized vehicles? That thing connected to the battery is a motor.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rustyp

It caught my attention because I know this area well. It is very rural. I would have expected this from a major metropolis like NYC. In this area there has been a major controversy over ATVs. Finally the Adirondack Park (6 million acres - largest park in the lower 48 states) buckled to the pressure and banned them. Thus if small towns don't want and huge metropolis don't want what is the E Bike future ?

I can understand a village mayor getting upset about vehicles they perceive as a nuisance. The mayor mentioned specifically "screaming snowmobiles". I am surprised that E-bikes were added to their list since snowmobiles are normally much faster and noisier than E-bikes. Additionally, the personality of E-bike riders seems to me to be less aggressive than some snowmobile riders. I assume that cars, trucks, and motorcycles are allowed in the downtown center.

As to the future of E-bikes, I think that they will increase in popularity. Bicycles are quiet and popular. An E-bike is just an improved bicycle.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Agree 1000%
My electric golf cart can do 24mph, and Sunday I was passed by an Ebike! In my youth I wonder if I could ride that fast on a bike. I certainly wouldn't do it on a side walk with people on it. Walking paths are narrower than the MMP's. Walking paths were designed to separate motorized traffic from non-motorized.
It won't be long before we get out first fatality....or fatalities when an out of control Ebike plows into a walker or group of walkers.

It has been at least six years already, how much longer is "won't be long?"

I haven't heard of any fatalities from an out of control pedal-bike, why would e-bikes be any different?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

And I'm still trying to grasp what the point is???

True that the rear-wheel hub drives are cheaper than the mid-drive models. I paid around $ 1,000 for my Rad Mission model. It has their smaller hub motor with 500 watts and a top speed of 20 mph. I felt that The Villages has few hills and 20 mph is good enough for what I do.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Class 3 can do 28 mph stock and modified to go much faster. Have not seen that here but been passed by an ebike doing 35+ elsewhere.

The genie is out of the bottle, that's life.

People in our age bracket should not feel, "a need for speed" as much as when they were young. Take it easy and enjoy the rest of your life. For those that need to go 35 MPH on a 2-wheeled vehicle, maybe they need a motorcycle. Modifying an E-bike to go 35 versus 28 MPH leaves me thinking, 'why bother" - it is an insignificance difference. What will they do next.......go into a bar and offer to race E-bikes for the titles? Maybe they need a life, one with a brain. Actually, I feel the same about modifying golf carts.