[jrref]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Here's a point of use option to provide protection for hard wired electrical devices such as HVAC, compressor, mini split, tankless hot water heater, pool/SPA pumps, etc.

These are devices that are also most likely to induce smaller surges into other sensitive electrical devices in your home that can degrade electronics over time.




https://a.co/d/04RV76ay

Thanks for posting this. As part of the layered surge protection approach, you can also install these point-of-use protectors specifically designed for your HVAC and pool and spa systems. I have these installed at my home. What they do is if a power surge is induced into the power lines of your pool equipment for example, this protector will block it protecting the equipment and also prevent the surge from traveling back to your main circuit breaker panel and spreading to the rest of your home. It will also block any power surges created by the switching On and OFF of your HVAC compressor and pool and or spa motors, etc.

The ones that you show by Intermatic are very reasonable and work very well and you can get them on Amazon. Just they are sometimes tricky to install so an electrician can install them for you.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by jrref

Thanks for posting this. As part of the layered surge protection approach, you can also install these point-of-use protectors specifically designed for your HVAC and pool and spa systems. I have these installed at my home. What they do is if a power surge is induced into the power lines of your pool equipment for example, this protector will block it protecting the equipment and also prevent the surge from traveling back to your main circuit breaker panel and spreading to the rest of your home. It will also block any power surges created by the switching On and OFF of your HVAC compressor and pool and or spa motors, etc.

The ones that you show by Intermatic are very reasonable and work very well and you can get them on Amazon. Just they are sometimes tricky to install so an electrician can install them for you.

Thanks!

If you can change a wall switch or outlet, you can probably do one of these.

But be aware the disconnect at the compressor outside also has an outlet connected to the outside GFI breaker circuit so that needs to be shut off also during an install.


I'll add surge protection devices"share" dissipation of the energy so the more you have, the better the protection.

[djlnc]

Originally Posted by Altavia

But be aware the disconnect at the compressor outside also has an outlet connected to the outside GFI breaker circuit so that needs to be shut off also during an install.

I don't understand what you mean by this. The breaker box has a 200 amp breaker that disconnects all the circuits including the A/C.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by djlnc

I don't understand what you mean by this. The breaker box has a 200 amp breaker that disconnects all the circuits including the A/C.

Or you shut off the HVAC breaker and outside outlet breaker before opening the disconnect box at the HVAC.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by djlnc

I don't understand what you mean by this. The breaker box has a 200 amp breaker that disconnects all the circuits including the A/C.

True, but the HVAC shutoff located at the unit is a safety requirement so the installer can see and operate the shutoff switch where he/she is working. It ensures that someone in the house doesn't inadvertently turn on the breaker in the remote panel.

[Spartan86]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Here's a point of use option to provide protection for hard wired electrical devices such as HVAC, compressor, mini split, tankless hot water heater, pool/SPA pumps, etc.

These are devices that are also most likely to induce smaller surges into other sensitive electrical devices in your home that can degrade electronics over time.




https://a.co/d/04RV76ay

So, are you/we saying one should add this device on A/C, mini-split, pool etc plus a breaker box solution such as the Eaton Ultra?

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Spartan86

So, are you/we saying one should add this device on A/C, mini-split, pool etc plus a breaker box solution such as the Eaton Ultra?

Yes, these are for things direct weird that do not plug into an outlet .

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

True, but the HVAC shutoff located at the unit is a safety requirement so the installer can see and operate the shutoff switch where he/she is working. It ensures that someone in the house doesn't inadvertently turn on the breaker in the remote panel.

In recent construction, they also have a 120V GFI outlet under the cover of the disconnect box.

This power is still hot when pulling the disconnect and/or shutting off the breaker.

You need to also turn off the breaker that powers the outside GFI outlets before doing anything inside that box.

[keepsake]

So much Eaton fine print to deny any benefit. You will have to prove you filed all other claims first. And 30 day window, no way other insurers will be processing that fast.

[jrref]

Originally Posted by keepsake

So much Eaton fine print to deny any benefit. You will have to prove you filed all other claims first. And 30 day window, no way other insurers will be processing that fast.

We have talked about this a ton of times.

You don't install surge protection to collect on the insurance. The insurance is there for an extra benefit but my guess is rarely used because your homeowners is primary and if you have surge protection, you are not going to have a loss and if your do it's going to be very small.

If you read the "fine print" on surge protectors, except for the Type-1, Seco protector installed at your meter, they all read about the same. None make it easy to file a claim.

[jrref]

Originally Posted by Spartan86

So, are you/we saying one should add this device on A/C, mini-split, pool etc plus a breaker box solution such as the Eaton Ultra?

Surge protection is a layered system.

The Eaton Ultra will protect your HVAC, pool and other devices from a surge originating from a source travelling through your circuit breaker panel. But these point-of-use protectors will give you additional protection if the power surge is coupled externally at the HVAC, pool and or Spa equipment.

So yes, for the best protection I would do the following as you can afford:
1) Install the surge protector such as the Eaton Ultra at the circuit breaker panel.
2) Add any additional point-of-use protection at TVs, computer, and other sensitive equipment.
3) Install point-of-use surge protection at your HVAC, Pool and Spa equipment. These days, when this equipment is installed, surge protection is usually included.
4) Install the Seco Type-1 surge protector at the meter.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by jrref

You don't install surge protection to collect on the insurance.

CORRECT, meaning installing a whole home surge protector, lightning rods and outlet local surge protectors is called self insured

You are personally insuring against the risk and aggravation of a random event AND the risk and aggravation of the insurance company's issues dealing with your scenario.

Same issue with home insurance and pro rated roof insurance. . the older the roof gets, the more you are self insured. . .

It's a bit more expensive living in an environment known for mother nature's disdain for building houses on farm land. .

[Spartan86]

@jrref

Thank you for that. House had the Seco unit already and Sunshine installed a surge protector for the mini split on initial install. I’ll be adding the Eaton unit and I’ll look at adding another “at source” device at the exterior HVAC box and tankless water heater.

[MrTwister]

It is a additional tool in your toolbox against lightning. I think ours is $5 a month on our bill. Very happy with it. We also put high end surge strips on tv’s , computers, and anything else we dont want fried. Tripplite makes good stuff. Walmart ones are just toys. You will never say to yourself you are glad you didn't get it. You will only be happy you did.

[pikeselectric]

Hi jrref, your quote:

"Pikes and Lenhart electric install these. I believe Pikes is having a sale and Lenhart will give you a discount if you tell them you heard about them here on Talk of the Villages or attended one of the Villages Lightning Study Group's talk on Lightning. I'm not sure how long these "specials" will last so I would reach out to one of these companies ASAP." is correct

We are no longer in our promotion price ($515) after 7/1/24, however, we are heavily stocked with the CHSPT2ULTRA and ready to install, appointments available as early as next week. Anyone who calls me (Casandra here at Pike's) and mentions they see this post on Talk of the Villages will get a special discount with me here at Pike's Electric.
352-748-6251
My email also, if anyone would like to reach out and discuss via email: cnelson@pikeselectric.com