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Old 05-12-2025, 01:25 PM
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We're seeing frequently confused people around Wellpoint due to many new residents (including Middleton) and Lifestyle visitors.
It was like that when Edna's first opened and there was a walking trail around Hogeye Sink.

That was the first trail that did not allow golf carts. People would drive down the MMP alongside the turnpike and then drive their golf carts down to Edna's. On more than one occasion, we would tell them golf carts were not allowed on the walking trail and they would turn around.

After awhile, TV put in an impassable barrier so the golf carts could not leave the MMP and drive down to Edna's, so now that trail is only used by walkers and bikers.
 
Old 05-12-2025, 02:02 PM
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It was like that when Edna's first opened and there was a walking trail around Hogeye Sink.

That was the first trail that did not allow golf carts.

After awhile, TV put in an impassable barrier so the golf carts could not leave the MMP and drive down to Edna's, so now that trail is only used by walkers and bikers.
Walking MMPs are a different beast. The OP really didn’t make anything unambiguous and never clarified what type of MMP they were talking about. Walking trails and golf cart paths both have different customs and courtesies.
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Old 05-12-2025, 02:29 PM
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I've done this on my bicycle. My reasoning has nothing to do with your assumption though. It IS a courtesy. It's my way of saying:

"I know I can't go close to the 20mph speed limit, and this might frustrate you. So I'm informing you now, that if you wish to pass me, I am prepared to pull over and stop so you can pass safely. Or I can slow down further, or move closer to the edge of the road, depending on where we happen to be at the moment. I also would like for you to pass me sooner rather than later, so I can pay all my attention to what's ahead of me, and not worry about someone tailgating me in a vehicle that can flatten me to the pavement should I need to stop short for any reason. This is a symbiotic relationship, and I want you to know that I am actively doing my part, and see you, and acknowledge you."

I mean, if this is a problem for you, let me know which golf cart you drive and send me a picture of yourself. I'll just stay in the middle of the lane, doing my 8-12mph, until I get to my destination and you can just deal with having to cross to the other side of the road into oncoming traffic if you want to pass me. I'm fine with that too. I have good brakes, I can stop on a dime if you and oncoming traffic have an argument and you end up flying through your windshield onto my side of the road.
Like I said, some people think it is a courtesy. Take the middle of the MMP at 7 mph and you will receive a discourtesy
 
Old 05-12-2025, 02:40 PM
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I've done this on my bicycle. My reasoning has nothing to do with your assumption though. It IS a courtesy. It's my way of saying:

"I know I can't go close to the 20mph speed limit, and this might frustrate you. So I'm informing you now, that if you wish to pass me, I am prepared to pull over and stop so you can pass safely. Or I can slow down further, or move closer to the edge of the road, depending on where we happen to be at the moment. I also would like for you to pass me sooner rather than later, so I can pay all my attention to what's ahead of me, and not worry about someone tailgating me in a vehicle that can flatten me to the pavement should I need to stop short for any reason. This is a symbiotic relationship, and I want you to know that I am actively doing my part, and see you, and acknowledge you."

I mean, if this is a problem for you, let me know which golf cart you drive and send me a picture of yourself. I'll just stay in the middle of the lane, doing my 8-12mph, until I get to my destination and you can just deal with having to cross to the other side of the road into oncoming traffic if you want to pass me. I'm fine with that too. I have good brakes, I can stop on a dime if you and oncoming traffic have an argument and you end up flying through your windshield onto my side of the road.
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Old 05-12-2025, 05:42 PM
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I've done this on my bicycle. My reasoning has nothing to do with your assumption though. It IS a courtesy. It's my way of saying:

"I know I can't go close to the 20mph speed limit, and this might frustrate you. So I'm informing you now, that if you wish to pass me, I am prepared to pull over and stop so you can pass safely. Or I can slow down further, or move closer to the edge of the road, depending on where we happen to be at the moment. I also would like for you to pass me sooner rather than later, so I can pay all my attention to what's ahead of me, and not worry about someone tailgating me in a vehicle that can flatten me to the pavement should I need to stop short for any reason. This is a symbiotic relationship, and I want you to know that I am actively doing my part, and see you, and acknowledge you."

I mean, if this is a problem for you, let me know which golf cart you drive and send me a picture of yourself. I'll just stay in the middle of the lane, doing my 8-12mph, until I get to my destination and you can just deal with having to cross to the other side of the road into oncoming traffic if you want to pass me. I'm fine with that too. I have good brakes, I can stop on a dime if you and oncoming traffic have an argument and you end up flying through your windshield onto my side of the road.
Very well said! I ride at an average speed of 18MPH. It's a speed that will take a cart a little bit longer to pass me making for a potentially dangerous situation. If someone is riding my tail, I speed up to about 20MPH until I see a clear, straight path ahead. I then slow down significantly, pull to the side and wave the cart behind me on. I do it as a courtesy, not arrogance. I've yet to have anyone not wave and thank me for the courtesy extended. When I get my first discourteous response, I will likely have met the poster who responded your post.
 
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A little off-topic but just north of Belleview is the Santos bike trail. It's awesome. A paved, winding, 16 mile long asphalt path that goes through the woods. It's mostly shaded and smells like a pine forest. You don't have to worry about golf carts or cars. It's best to go there during the week because I guess it gets pretty busy on the weekend. I actually like it better than the withlacoochee in Inverness (which is straight as a board and a tad boring) and it's definitely safer than the MMPs. Unfortunately you have to drive to it but it's definitely worth popping up there once in a while.

It even has a ton of mountain bike paths that branch off the asphalt if that's your thing.

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Old 05-12-2025, 09:01 PM
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If you're not a golfer, why bother with a golf cart and all the nonsense of MMPs? If you need wind in your hair, you can get a used Miata or Mini Cooper convertible for the price of new golf cart. They're easy to park, will go further and last longer and have creature comforts for the times when the weather is not cooperating with open air driving and with TV expanding you won't need to pack provisions to travel from one end to the other. I get the fun factor of golf carts but when I've driven them, they remind me of a homemade go-kart I had as a kid except they handle worse but stop better. Both provided a heavy dose of exhaust fumes.
Because this is a golf cart community. Why should I have to deal with a traffic light and a roundabout to get across a major roadway (441) to the town square, when I can just ride over the golf cart bridge and park on the other side, and poof - I'm there?

Why would you move to a golf cart community if you have no intention of driving a golf cart everywhere?
 
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Like I said, some people think it is a courtesy. Take the middle of the MMP at 7 mph and you will receive a discourtesy
The middle of MY SIDE of the MMP? I have the -right- to take it, as a bicycle rider. I have the right to own the lane, as a bicycle rider. However - as a COURTESY - I'll wave you on if I think you might want to pass me, and then I'll move over and either stay to the edge, or stop entirely, depending on the situation, so that you can pass safely.

That IS a courtesy.
 
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Why would you move to a golf cart community if you have no intention of driving a golf cart everywhere?
Because we don't think TV is a "golf cart community" just because one little sign way up north says it is,

We enjoy driving our cars wherever we go in TV. We have been here 9 years and have never wanted a golf cart.
 
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Because we don't think TV is a "golf cart community" just because one little sign way up north says it is,
The signs are everywhere, you just haven't been paying attention....

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If that is the only sign that reads, "a golf cart community," there are many other indications that this community was built for golf carts:

The FAQ on thevillages.com mentions getting around by golf carts several times
There are MMPs here that I never see elsewhere.
There are golf cart bridges here that I never see elsewhere.
There are the "diamond" lanes along the roadways here that I rarely see elsewhere.
There are signs at the end (not beginning) of the "diamond" lanes indicating that golf carts must merge
There are signs at most gates and several intersections indicating that golf carts cannot proceed beyond a certain point.
There are certain amenities that have only golf cart parking.
I have read here about certain starter shacks that have no convenient parking for automobiles.

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We enjoy driving our cars wherever we go in TV. We have been here 9 years and have never wanted a golf cart.
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All this machismo talk about my lane, my rights, tough luck to anyone else...is not very friendly.

Share the darn lane! Everyone, walkers, bikers, people with walkers/crutches, golf carts...has a right to use the MMP's. Period.

If those of you who claim it is only for golf carts, then perhaps the MMP's should be restricted to only those carts carrying golf clubs on their way to a golf cart should be able to use the MMP's. That is plain stupid.

Share the road and be mindful of others who are not traveling at the same speed as you are. Do NOT run over pedestrians...ever! Do NOT curse out others! Share the MMP's.
 
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Share the MMP's.
Or stay off the MMPs. After a 200 yard walk on an MMP about 7 years ago, we learned to stay off of them entirely.
 
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Because we don't think TV is a "golf cart community" just because one little sign way up north says it is,

We enjoy driving our cars wherever we go in TV. We have been here 9 years and have never wanted a golf cart.

One out of hundred….
 
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All this machismo talk about my lane, my rights, tough luck to anyone else...is not very friendly.

Share the darn lane! Everyone, walkers, bikers, people with walkers/crutches, golf carts...has a right to use the MMP's. Period.

If those of you who claim it is only for golf carts, then perhaps the MMP's should be restricted to only those carts carrying golf clubs on their way to a golf cart should be able to use the MMP's. That is plain stupid.

Share the road and be mindful of others who are not traveling at the same speed as you are. Do NOT run over pedestrians...ever! Do NOT curse out others! Share the MMP's.
Ther are ones that share and mindful, then there the hogs.
 

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